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Posted -  15/02/2006  :  18:55
THE LANCASHIRE STEEPLEJACK.

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Stanley
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Posted - 07/03/2006 : 16:52

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Young Tom painting Bancroft chimney with double boiled linseed oil in 1981 when the buidings were being refurbished for the newly formed Bancroft Trust. 




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Posted - 07/03/2006 : 17:32

Iam so ugly now iam thinking of getting my head shaved ,growing a thick beard and having my ear pierced(remind you of anyone STANLEY).HAHAHA.

The guys at the Ellen road say that the leigh spinners engine is still there but i don't know what condition its in now.

I dont think the lad painting is me i started for pete a year later,lucky lad does look like me from the top .




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Posted - 07/03/2006 : 17:40

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How about that Tom!  Ellenroad chimney 1986.  You and Peter were getting ready for putting the new drum on the top of the chimney.




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Posted - 07/03/2006 : 18:05

Thats the ugly devil ,look like i could with a good meal inside me,I remember it was a beautiful day not a breath of wind when this was taken,I think the lad at Bancroft was peter and dots nephew he nicknamed him Donald after Fred Dibnahs labourer.

The m62 looked like a country lane then,Butterworth hall mill and chimney in the background.




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Posted - 07/03/2006 : 18:19
When I've finished rendering all the pics I'll send you a CD.  There are a lot more to come yet........


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Posted - 07/03/2006 : 18:25

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're right, it was a nice day.  Not often we were up at that height without the woolies and the hats.  I've even got me brothel creepers on instead of boots, most unusual.  Peter took this pic with one of my cameras.




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Posted - 07/03/2006 : 18:59
Had 3 pairs of underpants on last week at belmont it was that cold,can't wait to see more pics its like being there all over again,tried to tell someone recently that we used to work on timber baton scaffolds ,he looked at me like hed found me in bed with his mother,total disbelief ,I still think they are the best type of stageing for a chimney.


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Posted - 08/03/2006 : 08:26
Look at that pic I took on Bancroft chimney.....  That board was at least an inch thick!  I can't work out whether we were brave or stupid.......


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Posted - 08/03/2006 : 08:53
Chimney boards for baton stages are normaly about 1/2 inch thicker than normal scaffolding boards because of the span they have to cover probably about 9 feet on bancroft ,the boards in total will be about 17 feet long ,peter always made his boards in odd numbers 15 feet ,17feet ,19 feet,he said they always worked out better.The batons are 7by 4 inch pitch pine or spruce dogged top and bottom and linked together with steel tie rods ,the chocks are to stop the batons bending if you over tighten the rods,upright poles are lashed with hemp rope and wedged, in the summer you have to keep them wet so the rope contracts and tightens up.


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Posted - 08/03/2006 : 12:09
Good info Jack, straight from the horse's mouth.  More please.....


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Posted - 08/03/2006 : 14:47

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ellenroad chimney, 1986, preparing the existing stonework ready for erecting the new drum on it.  We were handsome lads in those days.........




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Posted - 08/03/2006 : 18:12

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is what a steeplejack does when he decides a bit of DIY is in order.  Tom on the ladder and Peter on the scaffold at Tim's Terrace in Milnrow 1986.




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Posted - 08/03/2006 : 19:54

On the Ellenroad i had removed the iron chimney band which went round the big top stones iam sat on to replace the bolts with new (1 inch diameter ),i was drilling holes in the picture ,yes drilling, with a hammer and rose chisel which cut a nice 1/2 inch diameter hole to take some copper pegs to re-sit the band on,so you dont have to over tighten the band on top of the chimney which is the weakest point of the structure ,over tightening can do more harm than good here ,what I call "strangling the chimney" it would lift those big stones off there mortar bed right round the front of the joint allowing the elements in.

I also removed the coronal band ,this is a copper lightning conductor tape which runs round the top of the chimney and fixed to the down tape which runs to earth,the point of the coronal is to stop the electricity arcing when lightning strikes giving it a continuous circuit,we re-fixed it back to the top after building the drum.

TIM'S TERRACE named after tim bobbin real name john collier school teacher and poet if iam not mistaken whos house originaly stood there,hope iam right if not stanley will correct me.Peter bought the last house in the terrace and then he owned the lot,when we started it still had stone sinks ,gas mantles and toilet was in the cellar underneath i think he paid 2 grand plus whatever to do it up ,i thought it was stupid money ,obviously i was wrong.On completion the man from the council came to pass the job only to return a day later with his boss ,they had never seen such a transformation.We did the whole job in about 3to4 months ,it would take that long now to read the method statement.

Heres quite an interesting read .G REED AND SON STEEPLEJACKS.

  http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/ogara/reed.htm



Edited by - TOM PHILLIPS on 08 March 2006 22:33:00


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Posted - 09/03/2006 : 07:30
Good stuff Tom.  If anyone's interested, what Tom is talking about, as well as the physical tightening of the band with the bolts through the joints, is the bad effects rust can have when it builds up behind the four by half an inch bands.  As it builds up it puts pressure in the chimney and can shatter brick and stonework.  The best way to cure this is have the bands so loose they would drop if they weren't mounted on copper pegs.  Installed that way they are in place to catch any movement but aren't doing any damage to the fabric.  Tom is quite right about Tim Bobbin, the pub opposite is named after him as well, plenty of stuff on the web about him.


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Posted - 09/03/2006 : 07:45
I've mailed Joyce Hagan in Oz and asked her if I can scan the brochure in for the site.  Interesting thing is that the stack he talks about at Tulketh Mills was actually slightly smaller than Ellenroad.  They took slightly more off it bit if you reckoned up the complexity of the job, the Ellenroad rebuild of the drum was a comparable piece of work.


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