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Stanley
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THE LANCASHIRE STEEPLEJACK.
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Stanley Challenger Graham

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Posted - 21/03/2006 : 05:42

Here's a Yorkshire ladder stay hooked into a steel dog on Ellenroad chimney in 1987. The stayes are mounted on the ladder with a bolt through a slot so the length of the stay can be adjusted. The ladders are socketed at the ends and don't need lashing together.
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marilyn
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Posted - 21/03/2006 : 05:58
I'm going all dizzy after that shot from up high.
Dangerous work....must pay well.
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Posted - 21/03/2006 : 07:03
No Maz. It's just regarded as a job. No danger money. Actually I'd rather be up a chimney than out in the Barent Sea in winter on a trawler or working in a quarry. Both far more dangerous than being a jack. Having said that, my ladder days are over, I was always afraid of heights and I don't think I could trust my balance and reflexes like I could 20 years ago. It makes me queasy looking at pics like that as well and I took them! Nicely polished boots though.......
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Posted - 21/03/2006 : 19:39
No more dangerous than most building trade work,Peter Tatham always said its far more dangerous on a roof ,because you cant slide off a chimney.Yorkshire ladders are very good for mill maintanence work,church building repairs and even domestic repairs,if you put a few sets up 10ft apart you can put scaffold boards across the steel arms,giving you a larger work area idea for pointing or painting and gutter repairs or replacement,this can save you keep having to move your bosuns chair which you only have a limited work area,or keep moving your extension ladder on domestic jobs.
Lancashire ladders can be used in the same way ,but you need to use ladder hangers not the ones that hook on the rungs ,the're illegal some have been designed to hook onto the cheeks of the ladder and fit a handrail to it ,another health and safety requirement.Soon we wont need ladders we'll be able to climb up the paper work and red tape.
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Posted - 21/03/2006 : 23:33
Febby recently cleaned the light fitting in our stairwell. I held the ladder, but it would have made more sense for him to hold it for me. As a kid I could shinny up and down drainpipes with ease...being up high never bothered me. Nowadays I don't fell as sure footed. I think it is the realisation that I could actually experience pain if I were to fall!
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Posted - 22/03/2006 : 05:03
Maz, they call it common sense. I sold Doc my ladders to stop me going on the roof, I agree with Tom, I never liked them...... Peter once told me the only casualty he ever saw on a stack was a man who dell off the first ladder and broke his neck so your ladder to the light fitting was just as dangerous.
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Posted - 22/03/2006 : 06:42
Well it probably doesn't sound all that dangerous to be cleaning a light fitting in a stair well, but given that the house has cathedral ceilings takes the total height further. Because the stairway twists we had to have the ladder going vertically upwards instead of at an angle and leant against something for support. I was terrified to see Febby climb it actually. It is the first time in four years we had managed the task. We looked at all other avenues first....scaffolding etc....but just couldn't come up with a solution. The light fitting itself is a 1970's classic. It has five big ball lights hanging at various lengths. Everyone that sees it hates it.....but we happen to think it suits the place. I had tried standing at various locations on the stairs and cleaning the balls with extended tools of various sorts......but the balls all threaten to clang together and smash. Anyway, it is done now. I won't be letting him up there again though. He can pay for someone else to risk life and limb.
Edited by - marilyn on 22 March 2006 06:44:21
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Posted - 22/03/2006 : 08:03
What you need is a skyhook, a ring bolt in the ceiling firmly anchored to the timbers in the roof. Then all you need is a half hour course from a competent climber on abseiling. The job will be easy, safe and enjoyable once you've got used to it.
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TOM PHILLIPS
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Posted - 22/03/2006 : 18:40
"Five big balls hanging at various lengths"..sounds like mr febby's been over doing it.
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Posted - 22/03/2006 : 22:40
This is a burst chimney band on the 180ft stack at Ena mill in Atherton.I had to erect the ladders with this hanging dangerously above me,this is when the job gets a bit risky.the corrosion can clearly be seen,this caused the 4" by 1/2" steel band to snap ,we also found 3 more bands in the same condition and removed them.The chimney stands at the main entrance to the mill and to one end of the car park,the mill had just been turned into a retail outlet,it could have been quite nasty if the maintanence man on the site hadn't noticed it after finding lumps of rust on the newly laid tarmac below the chimney.
Edited by - TOM PHILLIPS on 22 March 2006 22:42:26
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Posted - 23/03/2006 : 00:07
The Ellenroad chimney band i spoke about on page 3 of the thread,sat on copper pegs and pointed on the top edge to stop the weather getting behind ,this will greatly reduce the amount of corrosion ,thus preventing any damage to the fabric of the structure.
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Posted - 23/03/2006 : 09:46
Mr. Febby always over does it ! (never fails to impress) 
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Posted - 24/03/2006 : 17:30
The man who broke his neck was actually the ladder maker from DOBSON'S ladder makers on manchester rd Oldham,he made a ladder one day climbed about 18" slipped and landed funny he didn't work again for 18 month's.The guy who fell off the top off the top of the first ladder was Colin Leatham,he used to work for peter in the early 60's when he first aquired the firm after his grandfathers death,I think he broke his leg,I also think he and his 2 brothers were first employed by Peters gr/father when Peter was working in Nottingham for a firm called Turners( i think) after a big fall out with his gr/father.after that the 3 brothers set up on there own ,they bought out Mittens steeplejacks of Oldham and traded under the name for some years before changing it to APEX lancashire steeplejacks ,Littleborough,after buying out the company owned by Bob Brogden of Heywood.I think peter said they were the men who removed the drum from the Ellenroad.I think they are still trading today,albeit long in the tooth.(they were very hard and feared men in there prime).
Maz, my wife wishes I was like mr febby ,she say's I never overdo anything.
Edited by - TOM PHILLIPS on 24 March 2006 17:36:31
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Posted - 25/03/2006 : 06:32
Tom, Interesting bit of history about Peter. I was always too busy discussing the jobs to dig into him. How did he get that work in Gloucestershire? If I remember rightly that was where Higgy broke his arm, he fell down a hole when they were staggering back from the pub. Peter mentioned his grandfather once or twice but never got going about it, I got the impression that they rubbed each other up the wrong way at times.Were the three brothers the Turner Brothers?
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Posted - 25/03/2006 : 07:22
The firm in Gloucestershire was called Winterbottom,Strachen and playne,they started about 1700 producing the woolen scarlet tunics worn by the military at the time,at the time i was there with Peter they were making the cloth for Riley snooker tables and the material for the Wimbledon tennis balls.I think he got the work in the early 70s through one of the engineers who came from Huddersfield ,he was based at Stroud,there were also mills at Cam(near dursley)and Nailsworth.Higgy falling and breaking his arm is highly likely ,the Scrumpy cider was "very special".
Peter appeared to have a difficult relationship with his gr/father,reading between the lines of what he told me it may all of stemmed from Peter being born out of wedlock,some kind of resentment.His gr/father was a very hard task master,Peters mother told me that she was made to work on chimneys when she was younger.
The three brothers are called Leatham from Littleborough,them and all the other steeplejacks from the Rochdale area used to drink in a pub at Hamer,can't remember the name but it was nicknamed "the bloodbath".
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