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Hartleys of Barnoldswick

Post by hartleysjam » 22 Dec 2013, 05:59

Hi everyone,
my name is Emily Hartley and I am currently researching my family tree. As you all probably know finding the correct Hartley in the Barnoldswick-Salterforth area is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. The Hartley's I am referring are those that farmed at Earby Lane House (Roundell Hartley, 42 was mentioned in one of the posts one here). I have managed to trace them back to Armistead Hartley born.1796. You can see him on the 1841 census living at Earby Lane house next door to John Hartley born.1801 who is presumable his brother or cousin. I have recently been told the records keeper who noted births and deaths ect in the area was a drunk so vital records pertaining to the family were never taken down. This makes it impossible for me to find the parents of Armistead via birth and death dates (as they could be any of the god knows how many Hartleys in the area).
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Post by Wendyf » 22 Dec 2013, 08:47

Hi Emily and welcome to the site. Do you have confirmation of Armistead's birth in 1796? I have had a quick look at transcripts for parish & non- conformist chapels in the area and found nothing, however on the wonderful Lancashire On line Parish Clerks website I found the following baptism at St Bartholomew's Colne.

Baptism: 8 Apr 1792 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancs.
Armistead Hartley - Son of James Hartley & Mary
Born: 3 Jan 1792
Abode: Barnsey
Occupation: Weaver
Register: Baptisms 1790 - 1812, Page 26, Entry 94
Source: LDS Film 1471024

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Post by Stanley » 22 Dec 2013, 08:54

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Long Ing before the demolition of the mill. The two cottages are what remained of Barnsey Farm. Also known as 'bouncer'.
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Post by hartleysjam » 22 Dec 2013, 16:10

Hi Wendyf, Stanley,
I have seen this information for Armistead and I believe it to be correct, however when i look into James and Mary it lists them as having 3 children all born in the late 1780's and Armistead isn't one of them. I don't know if this is when the gap in the records began or if I am searching for the wrong James and Mary. Also i have never heard of Barnsey, is this the name of the farm with Earby Lane house ?
I am also researching John Hartley born 1801 who live and farmed next door to Armistead. I believe them to be relatives, cousins if not brothers, but like with Armistead i can not find any records for him other than those on his marriage.
What are your views on this as i don't know where to go from here.

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Post by Wendyf » 22 Dec 2013, 17:29

Where are you getting your info from Emily? I found another four children born to James & Mary and baptised in Colne. One of them was a John, born on the 29th April 1794. The ages given in the 1841 census were rounded up or down and aren't a reliable guide.
Barnsey was the farm in Barnoldswick that is shown in Stanley's photo.
I don't have much time at the moment to help, but dont go away....after Xmas I can get down to having a good look!

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Post by elise » 22 Dec 2013, 20:10

132 EARBY LANE HOUSE
HARTLEY, Roundhill Head Married M 52 1829 Farmer Salterforth, Yorkshire
HARTLEY, Martha Wife Married F 56 1825 Salterforth, Yorkshire
Entry from the 1881 census for Salterforth, I think this could be Broadstones Farm which was on the site of the car park next to the old mill.

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Post by Wendyf » 22 Dec 2013, 21:26

There is a marriage at St Barts Colne for a James Hartley of Gill Parish (Barnoldswick) and "Mally" Armistead of Colne. Looks like a possibility to me.

Marriage: 29 Jan 1778 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancs.
James Hartley - (X), of the Parish of Gill
Mally Armistead - (X), of the Chapelry of Colne
Witness: James Hartley; John Truman
Banns Read: 11 Jan 1778, 2nd: 18 Jan 1778, 3rd: 25 Jan 1778
Married by Banns by: John Metcalfe, Asst Curate
Register: Marriages 1768 - 1791, Page 143, Entry 454
Source: LDS Film 1471024

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Post by Stanley » 23 Dec 2013, 04:04

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Old postcard of the canal at Long Ing about 1890? Barnsey Farm and barn clearly shown.

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Post by Wendyf » 23 Dec 2013, 08:45

I think it's quite likely that Molly & Mary were one and the same person.
Children of James Hartley & Molly baptised at St Bart's Colne.

Baptism: 6 Dec 1778 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
William Hartley - son of James Hartley & Molly
Abode: Salterforth
Register: Baptisms 1774 - 1789, Page 35, Entry 10
Source: LDS Film 1471023

Baptism: 19 Nov 1780 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Henry Hartley - son of James Hartley & Molly
Abode: Salterforth
Register: Baptisms 1774 - 1789, Page 52, Entry 9
Source: LDS Film 1471023

Children of James Hartley & Mary

Baptism: 31 Jul 1785 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
James Hartley - son of James Hartley & Mary
Abode: Barnsey
Register: Baptisms 1774 - 1789, Page 92, Entry 14
Source: LDS Film 1471023


Baptism: 11 Jan 1789 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Mary Hartley - daur of James Hartley & Mary
Abode: Barnsey
Register: Baptisms 1774 - 1789, Page 129, Entry 9
Source: LDS Film 1471023

Baptism: 8 Apr 1792 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Armistead Hartley - Son of James Hartley & Mary
Born: 3 Jan 1792
Abode: Barnsey
Occupation: Weaver
Register: Baptisms 1790 - 1812, Page 26, Entry 94
Source: LDS Film 1471024

Baptism: 8 Jun 1794 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
John Hartley - Son of James Hartley & Mary
Born: 29 Apr 1794
Abode: Barns
Occupation: Weaver
Register: Baptisms 1790 - 1812, Page 50, Entry 101
Source: LDS Film 1471024
Baptism: 22 May 1796 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England

Jane Hartley - Dau of James Hartley & Mary
Born: 27 Mar 1796
Abode: Barnsay
Occupation: Weaver
Register: Baptisms 1790 - 1812, Page 74, Entry 93
Source: LDS Film 1471024

Baptism: 24 Mar 1799 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Betty Hartley - Dau of James Hartley & Mary
Born: 26 Jan 1799
Abode: Barnsey
Occupation: Weaver
Register: Baptisms 1790 - 1812, Page 104, Entry 48
Source: LDS Film 1471024

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Post by Stanley » 24 Dec 2013, 03:59

You've probably found it already but I've bumped the Hartley Index.
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Post by Wendyf » 27 Dec 2013, 13:15

Elise, I just happened to catch sight of Earby Lane House on an old OS map and it looks as if it is the farm on the roadside just out of Earby heading towards Salterforth, now called Moorview Farm.

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Post by elise » 27 Dec 2013, 15:01

Hi Wendy, thanks for that. Have looked at the 1881 census again, the enumerator has not given a name for the farm after Salterforth Lane House and before Spen so the unnamed one must/may be Spen Head and he has totally missed Hayfields and Broadstones farms which are/were at each end of the mill in the village.

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Post by Stanley » 28 Dec 2013, 04:25

If you give a modern map reference I'll have a look for it on my old maps.
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Post by Wendyf » 28 Dec 2013, 08:48

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Post by hartleysjam » 28 Dec 2013, 11:24

Wow thanks everyone this is all great, sorry i didn't reply sooner I had a bit of trouble logging in !

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Post by Wendyf » 28 Dec 2013, 16:48

I hope it is useful Emily.

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