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Sally cracking on with more laundry bags for NHS Nurses last night. Next batch is in the washing machine.

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Moving on to the material Kev donated now and has had another donation from a friend. She found a post on FB that a Nursing Home in Nelson is appealing for facemasks so she is alternating between bags and masks at the moment. We have some masks in hand that just need threading with elastic (my job) and we'll post them off today.
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BCG..... Unintended Consequences....
Looks as though that might be the case Ian. Let's hope it is true. I watch and wait....
See THIS report on BCG as a prophylactic.
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Its over 50 years ago that I had a BCG vaccine jab. I would think the immunity boosting effect has worn a bit thin by now. I'm not sure how it works but I would certainly line up for another booster.
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Have a look at the link I just put up P. Looks promising. Well done Wendy!
Just had a video call from Susan, she and Mick are on the up though drained by the virus. She looks very pale but much improved. It's going to take weeks for them to recover.
The main thing is they are over the worst. I can stop worrying and we'll look forward to the time sometime in the future when we can give each other a hug!
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That's good news Stanley and a weight lifted no doubt. :smile:
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It is Ian but pitiful to see how it has dragged two healthy people down. Recovery is going to take weeks. Susan says she never imagined it could be so scary. She says the worst bit was when the paramedics were debating whether to take her in to the ICU. Luckily they gave her antibiotics instead, a good move as it turned out and the right choice!
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Phew Stanley I hadn't read that Susan and Mick had had it. Hope they are recovering now. Once better, think positive, they will be able to visit you as safe guests. That will be good for all of you.

I have just been trying to translate a french article that says nicotine is possibly protective to the lungs but smoking is a real adverse factor. I wonder what they can do with that information. Research has been done in China, America and by this french ‘Tabacologist’ at a french hospital. I presume a tabacologist is someone who specialises in diseases related to smoking. All the way through the article it emphasises caution and that nictotine protects but smoking is an adverse factor. Try telling that to a chain smoker!
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Reading this I feel my sewing skills are not being tapped and wish I could help but with no fabric, no access to posting its not possible. Nothing like this is happening in France. Yesterday one page in the newspaper there was a pattern for a DIY facemark, two pages further on , on the back of our attestations to travel was a statement not to wear facemasks and they are to be worn only by medics and sufferers. Talk about conflicting messages.

I worry about the way used facemasks are washed or disposed of in the hands of the ill informed. I presume you have seen the photos of contaminated gloves left abandoned on tbe ground. This has always been my concern.
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Sue, You interest me when you talk about the benefits of tobacco. I have argued fro them for 80 years! I have no argument with tobacco or nicotine, it has been a great pleasure to me, a comfort and I suspect at times a medicine over the years. It just happens that all of a sudden it holds no charms for me and I am definitely better off without it but I shall not start to become a raving opponent. I believe people should be allowed to go to hell in their own way!
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I like your last sentence there Stanley, Bob and I had a chuckle!
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With all the concern in these covid times about people gathering in parks or on the streets perhaps the police should be using the word `loiter' to distinguish the acceptable activities of walking and running from those of gathering together, sun-bathing, sitting on park benches etc.
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You can't help but notice the horrendous death rate in the UK. It can't be solely down to demographics. What is the cause? Poor isolation, lack of suitable health care, facilities or equipment, unpreparedness? Same goes for USA. China with over 20 times the population of UK has half the number of deaths, that's just one fortieth of the death rate and the UK deaths are still increasing. The figures speak for themselves, should you be clapping the NHS or screaming at them?
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I think it’s the idiots who are not practicing social distancing and other isolation rules, that should take a lot of the blame (yes, yes, we have them here too). They must think that they are a different species. Make the fines bigger.
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chinatyke wrote: 10 Apr 2020, 10:39 The figures speak for themselves, should you be clapping the NHS or screaming at them?
I can't understand this obsession with death rates in different countries. Each country has its own problems and population make up. A country which has been keeping people going long after their normal 'use by date' will obviously suffer more coronovirus related deaths than those countries who have dispatched their population earlier than necessary. The UK has almost 8000 deaths associated with the coronovirus. This is a lot of people putting a enormous demand on any health service whether its the NHS or Private as in America. There has been enough comment on OG saying that the NHS was under stress by our compassionate Conservative party long before this pandemic broke out. A bit like putting the blame on a starving man for dying because he had lost too much weight. If we are going to lay blame at anyone lets aim it at the right people.
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Anyone had a read up on Exercise Cygnus? I'm not surprised that a full report, on the outcome, hasn't been published for us mere mortals to look at...
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Big Kev wrote: 10 Apr 2020, 13:00 Anyone had a read up on Exercise Cygnus? I'm not surprised that a full report, on the outcome, hasn't been published for us mere mortals to look at...
Yes, I've read what is in the public domain. The exercise was a good one and came to the right conclusions. Unfortunately no significant action was taken as far as I am aware. Now, because of the lack of availability of ventilators, and presumably staff to operate them, it means selecting who gets treatment becomes a reality. The government elected to go down this road when it failed to act on the results from Operation Cygnus.

The death rate is significant. The government expects 60% of the population to be infected, and 4% to require hospitalisation, and at 10% death rate I make that 156,000 deaths for a population of 65 million or 24 deaths per 1000 people. Is that significant? When you consider they culled 6 million cows during one epidemic you could say this is trivial.
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Just finished the 50th nurses laundry bag. Sally cuts out and makes, they go in the washer, I iron them and then finish off by threading the draw chord, getting a bit of a dab hand with a bodkin. :extrawink: She now has a pattern for scrubs and is waiting for material to be delivered which will be next week now, 3.5m x 58" width minimum per set of scrubs. She has 20m on order. This has been paid for by our friend and comrade Omar. :smile: We will be sending the laundry bags off to someone who is organising distribution once the post is back up and running. She's back to facemasks as a local care home is in need of a batch.
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Excellent stuff, Ian. A good team effort.

I could do the ironing and draw cord bit, those sewing machines scare the life out of me :-)
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chinatyke wrote: 10 Apr 2020, 10:39 You can't help but notice the horrendous death rate in the UK. It can't be solely down to demographics. What is the cause? Poor isolation, lack of suitable health care, facilities or equipment, unpreparedness? Same goes for USA. China with over 20 times the population of UK has half the number of deaths, that's just one fortieth of the death rate and the UK deaths are still increasing. The figures speak for themselves, should you be clapping the NHS or screaming at them?
You should see the death rate in France, scares me silly. Best to keep Busy and not think about it
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Ignore recovery, our figure has not been changed for 3 weeks


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Deaths per million of the population is interesting. Frances figures go up and down like a yo yo, huge jumps then dips. china UKs figures are 132 per million of the population much less than your calculation.
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Sue wrote: 10 Apr 2020, 17:54 ... china UKs figures are 132 per million of the population much less than your calculation.
I gave the expected death rate, the government said 60-80% of the population were expected to be infected and I used 60% in my rough calculation. You are quoting the actual death rate so far, and it isn't the same thing.

The NHS workers are heroes but the NHS seems to be unfit to cope with this crisis.
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China, stop banging on about the relative merits of the NHS and any other system. You are acting like A LITTLE TIN GOD IN THAT YOU ASSUME YOU KNOW THE RELATIVE STATISTICS FOR EACH COUNTRY AND ALL THE INTRICACIES OF THEIR DEMOGRAPHICS which you don't. (bugger caps lock! :biggrin2: )
I'd prefer to talk about my family who have survived and are convalescent, or my own case, I feel fine.
If we want to talk about death concentrate on the real killers is society; (LINK) Otherwise please try to lighten up a bit! Pretty Please?
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OK. Point taken. :good:
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Good Man China, and thanks. I think we all need to be careful, it's so easy to descend into doom and gloom.
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Thanks Stanley, as I keep saying, try being in rural France. Doctors very far apart, pompiers ( emergency services) voluntary , hospitals miles away, looking after your own xrays etc. Unless of course things have changed since three of my friends were seriously ill ( and died) in different places one year.
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