CLIMATE CHANGE AND GLOBAL WARMING

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Re: CLIMATE CHANGE AND GLOBAL WARMING

Post by chinatyke » 14 Jun 2019, 16:09

I said that the reduction is insignificant. For example a 10% reduction of emissions would lead to 1ppm less CO2. The CO2 levels vary naturally by about 6ppm during the year.

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Post by Stanley » 15 Jun 2019, 02:43

Cynical David, but still a current point of view I fear.
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Post by chinatyke » 15 Jun 2019, 04:15

It's the same with religion, you can convince otherwise rational people that it is OK to believe a preposterous idea. We laugh at people worshipping stones in the past but it seems it is OK to have imaginary friends in the sky and support their cause with money. It's all about money! The science supports rising CO2 levels and changing climate so why not levy a tax? Make hay whilst the sun shines! :extrawink:

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Post by Stanley » 15 Jun 2019, 05:29

You are a cynic China....
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Post by Stanley » 20 Jun 2019, 05:12

Have a look at THIS BBC report on the latest information we have on Himalayan Glaciers from recently de-classified spy satellites. We can now add these to our worry list! The importance of this is of course that they feed the great rivers of some of the most heavily populated parts of the world. The consequences of any lessening of flow could be enormous.
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Post by Tizer » 20 Jun 2019, 09:11

I've been warning about this danger since I first joined OGFB and pointed out that something similar will one day happen to the Alps and result in severe winter floods and summer droughts in Europe. I've just done a search on OG for the words glaciers and floods and it brings up these from the last couple of years: LINK Warnings have been coming out for many years but still not enough is being done to counter climate change. There was an interesting series of episodes of a programme on Radio 4 recently that looked at the history of our knowledge of climate change. The most surprising part was how warnings were being made even as early as the 1930s and through the 1950s - and it was the coal industry itself that was doing the warning! That continued but eventually the recognition that something would have to be done caused a swing in the opposite direction. The vested interests of the coal industry then swung into action and the public didn't want to turn down the heating or the air conditioning when they hadn't been party to the warnings of climate change.

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Post by Stanley » 21 Jun 2019, 03:01

That's still the biggest danger with the public. Will they accept less mobility and lower standards?
A cynic would say that the main reason why the energy companies etc, are swinging in behind decarbonising is because they can see enhanced profits in it. Perhaps that's the only way we can get change in a modern world, bribes..... If so, bring it on!
(And be more rigorous when someone comes up with snake-oil arguments supposedly based on Green Principles. I'm thinking of something like Drax and Biomass..... Nothing but a cunning wheeze.)
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Post by Tizer » 21 Jun 2019, 09:00

This is a good way of illustrating global warming..
`The chart that defines our warming world' LINK
`Is this the simplest way to show what is meant by global warming? The chart below organises all the countries of the world by region, time and temperature. The trend is unmistakeable. Each line of coloured pixels is the temperature record of an individual nation within its region, stacked one atop the other. Blues are cooler years; the reds are warmer. The far left is 1900; the far right is the present day...'
Here's the main graphic:

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Post by Stanley » 22 Jun 2019, 03:23

And they are all uniformly progressive, no exceptions. Should be made into a logo.......
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Post by Stanley » 25 Jun 2019, 05:51

See THIS BBC report about the hot weather expected in Europe in the last week. It looks as though some records could be broken with temperatures reaching perhaps 45C, temperatures associated more with the Out Back in Australia or Death Valley.
Another example of an extreme?
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Post by Whyperion » 28 Jun 2019, 19:26

BBC I think were reporting on some uses of CO2 - from fizzy drinks - which is not exactly a closed sytem more just passing through. Adding to fly-ash from municipal incinerators (I hope they know what other products might be in there) to produce effectively artificial limestone blocks for buildings (useful as the CO2 is retained) , brewing industry, and some co-working with methane on heating and running some fertilizer operations from memory, there may be other useful uses, if they can take out the 5ppm excess worldwide on similar projects this should re-balance atmosphere.

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Post by Stanley » 06 Jul 2019, 04:38

See THIS BBC report of the high temperatures being experienced in Alaska. There is general agreement that it is another example of the climate changing, these are record temperatures.
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Post by Tizer » 08 Jul 2019, 10:11

People in the rich developed western countries have the privilege of being able to say they don't believe in climate change. People in the rest of the world have it thrust upon them...
`One climate crisis disaster happening every week, UN warns' Guardian

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Post by Stanley » 09 Jul 2019, 03:04

A timely article. Reminds me of "A small country far away of which we know nothing". (I may have paraphrased that....) That had serious consequences as well. I always remember Harold Wilson making a comment about unemployment. He said that no matter how low the percentage level was, to the person unemployed it was 100%. The same principle applies to the consequences of global warming, You are quite right, the people affected haven't the luxury of doubt or ignoring it, it's not a statistic to them or a probability, it's real and present danger.
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Post by Stanley » 13 Jul 2019, 04:01

Isn't it amazing how ephemeral news of sport and politics completely blanks out the biggest story in human history.
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