DIALECT AND WORD MEANINGS

[Stanley]

I seem to remember someone posting to express their dislike of the use of the phrase 'Kind of'. (and please add 'sort of'.)
Please can I endorse this. I am tripping over it in the strangest places including announcers on the BBC who ought to be setting standards.

[Tizer]

Why does King Canute come to mind?
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I've just received an email reminder to renew my insurance and it contains the following sentence (honestly!)
Please find attached our renewal incitation for the above property which is due 23 March.

[Wendyf]

There was a place in Kelbrook called Wood Ing. What does Ing mean?

[Tripps]

Just Wikipedia but it seems to be a water meadow sort of thing. Norse origin. Just found in the North today.

Ings

[Wendyf]

Thanks Tripps, that's what I thought. There is an RSPB nature reserve near Leeds called Faibairn Ings which is just that. Wood Ing in Kelbrook was on a hillside!

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[Stanley]

Ekwall is a bit more complicated and incidentally says that 'Ince' is the water meadow.
He says that the earliest use of 'ing' in Old English was to denote a place where people lived.
English Place Names Society agrees with Eilert Ekwall.

[Wendyf]

That is the answer I found too Stanley, a Saxon word for 'folk' .

[Stanley]

[PanBiker]

Long Ing in Barlick of course.

[Wendyf]

It can also just mean meadow.

[PanBiker]

Well it is on the periphery of Havre Park (Oat field).

[Tripps]

It's late. . .

Incidentally says that 'Ince' is the water meadow.

And if you died of tuberculosis in Wrightington Isolaton Hospital your 'place of death; is shown as 'Ince'

Trust me.

[Stanley]

One of the advantages of reading Shardlake; archaic words....
Today's is 'wadmol'. "a bulky woollen fabric woven of coarse yarn and heavily napped, formerly much used in England and Scandinavia for the manufacture of durable winter garments."

[Tizer]

Mika Simmons, co-chair of the Ginsburg Women's Health Board, on the news that `Women and girls in England are being asked to share their experiences of the health system as part of a government strategy to address inequalities':
"I am delighted that this - the gender health gap - which grew out of a severe lack of historical research into women's health issues, is not only finally being acknowledged but that steps are being taken to right size it."

[As well as the `right size it' phrase I also noted his use of `gender health gap'. There's no such thing, it's a `sexual health gap' and calling it gender will only obscure the information and make the study unreliable. Are we frightened by the words sex and sexual now?]

[Stanley]

I'd say yes Peter, very similar to the exclusion of words deemed racist. A ploy to rid language of embarrassing reminders of subjects that disturb some people.
As for 'to right size it'... I don't know, are these people not readers and so have to make up the language as they go along? Or is it that they think that by using awkward and unusual constructions they make their writing more distinctive?
The best way to be distinctive these days is to be clear, concise and grammatically correct.

[Cathy]

Came across this today, in an article about ism’s.
Age-ism...
An old fart - had a bit of puff once,
but is now stale and lingering.

That’s not you is it Stanley?
No no no

[Stanley]

I don't think so Cathy. I suspect that was written by a young person who didn't really understand what he or she was writing about. The quantity of 'puff' may have fallen but the quality has increased!

[Tizer]

Very funny Cathy! I'm not sure Stanley got the joke, though.

[Cathy]

No, possibly not.
Maybe it was too early in the morning.
It was meant to be lighthearted.

[Stanley]

That was a joke? Sorry, if it was I completely missed it and still do.
You'll have to explain it to me.

[Cathy]

In the Age-ism article they referred to some elderly being called An Up-start and An Old Fart.
I posted it into Dialogue because the phrase caught my eye - only because you are always referring to yourself as An Old Fart - simple as that.
It wasn’t meant as a joke, but there is a lighthearted and funny side to it, and I thought you would see it that way, but you seem to have taken it personally.

[Stanley]

No Cathy, it hasn't upset me. I simply don't understand it.

[Tizer]

Fart, puff, stale and lingering - get it?

[Stanley]

Ah, thanks Peter, got it. What a strange thing to be regarded as funny... Sorry, I must be wired up differently.

[Tripps]

I've been looking out for the word 'ideation' in the wake of the Meghan saga. It's usually used in conjunction with suicidal, and is beloved by the woke. I think 'thoughts would be perfectly adequate, but less impressive.

I've heard it ( surprisingly ) only twice in the last couple of days. James O'Brien and Alastair Campbell.

Should get out more. . . .