This is the bottom of the lane just before the ford. What used to be the head race for Bracewell Mill crosses here but runs in the wrong direction now. I remember it took me a while to work out that this was because of changes made in the field drainage over the years.....
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Yes Ian..... But the lane is still there and all the puzzles about reversed water flow when you get down to the bottom before the ford.....

This is the bottom of the lane just before the ford. What used to be the head race for Bracewell Mill crosses here but runs in the wrong direction now. I remember it took me a while to work out that this was because of changes made in the field drainage over the years.....
This is the bottom of the lane just before the ford. What used to be the head race for Bracewell Mill crosses here but runs in the wrong direction now. I remember it took me a while to work out that this was because of changes made in the field drainage over the years.....
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David Whipp's picture of the memorial bench to 'Pop Hill' a noted local cyclist. It's on the roadside near Yarlside Farm on the Bracewell road.
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When I was regularly cycling, I always used to catch a breath there if I was out that way, especially on the way back up into Barlick.
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The last time I saw Len at the Labour Party gala in 1978.....
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He was on the council with Sally when she was elected and he and Betty regular supporters up at the Clarion.
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Bankfield and Coates in 1963. A lot has changed in 60 years!
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Coates Mill in 1985
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Bankfield and Coates in 1905.
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Bank House and David Whipp's father's hen huts, c.1950. During the Inter War period there was a proposal to convert Bank House into a cottage hospital for the town but it never came to fruition.
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Bank House Deed plan March 23 1914. I assume the proposed new 12 yard wide road is connected to the hospital proposal. Like that, it never happened.
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A full house at Barlic Bites on February 8th 2014.
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The Wesleyan church and Sunday School in 1963. We still had a railway line as well but that was soon to go.....
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In 1988 we were getting near the completion of the complete resetting of the remaining Lancashire boiler at Ellenroad. We had renewed the foundation brickwork and seating blocks, finished the first lift of the new sidewall which would eventually reach the ceiling. Installed new side flue roof tiles and packed the space above them with clean ashes and fine clinker. Here we are ready to finish the top with stone flags down each side and insulation over the crown of the boiler. A perfect job and I was well pleased. I don't suppose anyone gives it a moment's thought these days...
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During the rebuild of the brick settings of the remaining boiler at Ellenroad I had the chance to put some theories into practice.
One of the big problems with boiler brickwork is the constant movement due to expansion and contraction. If you look carefully at this expansion joint we built into the sidewall you'll see there are six layers of brick construction between the hot gases in the side flue and the outside wall which was over thirty feet high to the ceiling of the boiler house. I needed to stop expansion and contraction from moving the outside skin and at the same time protect a cast iron column supporting the roof that was embedded in the wall.
This was my solution and over 40 years later there is no sign of movement. I doubt if anyone notices this. We are forgotten men!
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My first 'Smart' gas meter, never a reliable service. I am on the second generation now and that is no better. On the 22nd of each month I am asked to manually read my meters and report to BG. So definitely a forgotten corner.
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Cpl Slim Seaton, RAF Regiment, Gatow in charge of the RAF air sea rescue launch on the Havelsee in Berlin in 1955. Only seventy years ago......
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I tripped over this cartoon from 2020 this morning and realised that it showed something that always intrigued me in NY when I stayed there but have never seen illustrated before.
See that strut from the centre of the door to a metal plate let into the floor? That's a Police Lock, so called because it was recommended by the police as giving the greatest protection of any lock. It is a high tensile steel bar that can be locked into place as a reinforcement for the door. The clever thing about them is that they can be put into the socket and leaned against the back of the door as you go out and as you close the door the strut falls into place and locks. There is a keyhole in the outside of the door and you can unlock the strut when you came back in.
Not many people know that!
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Ellenroad chimney in 1991. 240 ft down if you forget what you are doing. Not everyone's cup of tea but if you wanted the best work on the stack and the most accurate reports, you had to get up there. I always found that the regular jacks didn't resent this, they welcomed anyone who was willing to share the risks and rewards of their world.....
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This is definitely a forgotten corner....
Once the demolition of Ellenroad Mill had reached the stage where we had a clear site I had time to draw breath. So much of what came after depended on keeping Coates Brothers onside and I realised when the surveyors moved back in on site that they were finalising things like levels and pipe runs. I asked what base lines they were using and when they told me that they were using the original datum points established before demolition commenced I pointed out that they would do well to check those datum points very carefully because since they were established we had taken thousands of tons of masonry and bricks off the site and it would have heaved as the weight came off. They did and sure enough some points were as much as three inches higher than they had assumed. This saved an expensive mistake and I was flavour of the month.
As an encore I got Norman Sutcliffe to lend me John and the new Liebherr excavator. We went digging and unearthed three of these, the mass concrete base that supported a large block of solid rock that in turn was the base for the cast iron pillars that extended up through six floors of the mill. Once we had the locations of those three we could accurately mark the position of all the others because we had the original architect's drawings of the mill. That meant that we could plot the route of pipes runs and services to avoid these hidden obstacles.
This saved another expensive error and established me as a valued advisor for the rest of the build which was a great benefit for the work of the Trust. All this is forgotten now but was just part of the thought and planning that went into getting the Monument up and running....
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I mentioned heave in the ground that used to support the weight of the mill. During the demolition I noted that Norman had left the two access towers standing and when I asked him why he said it was because there was no plunder in them. By this he meant easily reclaimed scrap. Eventually the building contractor's safety officer issued a prohibition against approaching within 500feet of the towers because they had started to lean outwards. This was caused by the heave in the ground. Norman asked the officer what was he supposed to do, throw bricks at it? The Jib on his crane was only 300ft. The officer said that was his problem.
I asked Norman what he would do and he grinned, he said he'd ball it down and if anyone asked he would say it fell over.... My image is of him doing just that, it took 30 minutes and no dramas. How many people will remember that?
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Ellenroad Ring Mill in the 1960s....
The white material on the roof is carding dust discharged by the mill's statutory air conditioning to reduce the risk of Byssinosis.
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