OneGuyFromBarlick

Look up John Wilfred Pickard on the subject of infection, at that time he was talking about what we called VD then. Directly applicable.
Ken, don't believe a word of it! It costs too much to change the air more than the minimum and a sealed tube with hundreds of people sat shoulder to shoulder never was 'safe'. The only filter I rely on is dilution! If you can feel the wind on your face you are as safe as you can be.
Peter, you do well to keep close to home and away from hot spots. In case you hadn't noticed the infection rate is slowly rising after the fall due to lockdown and isolation.

Same here, Maz. Also if you're short of a mask when needing to go to a shop a thin neck warmer can be pulled up over your mouth and nose to make a mask.

This is in a BBC live news feed this morning - it reminds me of them leaving the IPCC climate change agreements...
`US won't join WHO-led vaccine efforts'
`The Trump administration has indicated that it will not participate in international coalition efforts to find and distribute a vaccine for Covid-19 because the World Health Organization (WHO) is involved. The Washington Post newspaper reported that the White House would not join 172 other countries participating in a WHO-led initiative to "ensure equitable access to safe and effective vaccines, once they are licensed and approved". White House spokesman Judd Deere said in a statement that the US would "continue to engage our international partners to ensure we defeat the virus, but we will not be constrained by multilateral organisations influenced by the corrupt World Health Organization and China". US President Donald Trump has attacked the WHO over its handling of the coronavirus outbreak, accusing it of being biased towards China in how it issued its guidance..'.

Concern is now being raised about the rush to get the first vaccine onto the market. The fear is that the first vaccines may only be 30% to 50% effective. This poor performance may be acceptable as a short term gap filler but once such a low standard has been established then this becomes the benchmark for the other vaccines under development. Once the market becomes established and the big profits taken there is little incentive to spend vast sums of money on long term improvements which will show only a very slow return. There is also the possibility that at 30% efficiency people will consider its not worthwhile being vaccinated because they don't work. The end result is a series of local lockdowns or an acceptance that for some people it could be fatal but as they say 'that's life'.

Once again, Ken puts his finger on a real danger.
Trump, the WHO and China. The man is in danger of becoming a mass murderer.

plaques wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:49 The fear is that the first vaccines may only be 30% to 50% effective.

I don't believe the `respectable' vaccine manufacturers would put out a product for covid-19 that was so ineffective. It would be a waste of time and money as well as undermining confidence in vaccines as you noted. It would also be dangerous by making people think they have immunity when it's more than likely they don't. That only increases the spread of the virus and disrupts the work of the health authorities. The manufacturers would ditch such a vaccine product as soon as tests showed such a low effectiveness and get on with development of the other options. This is why there are so many different products being developed and with different modes of operation.

Meanwhile, we would benefit from a vaccine against conspiracies and anarchists, and from giving the big social media companies a boot up the backside...
`How Covid-19 myths are merging with the QAnon conspiracy theory' LINK

`Coronavirus: Facebook, Twitter and YouTube 'fail to tackle anti-vaccination posts' LINK

"we would benefit from a vaccine against conspiracies "
From your mouth to God's ear!
They are today's most prolific child abusers and murderers.

Tizer wrote: ↑03 Sep 2020, 09:05 I don't believe the `respectable' vaccine manufacturers would put out a product for covid-19 that was so ineffective.

Agreed, but we are not talking about respectable manufactures we are talking about politicians like Trump, Johnson. Hancock and Cummings. Each one has a vested interest in being 'the first' with ground breaking vaccines. My post was based on the concerns of an Oxford Professor involved in the vaccine development.

They won't get away with telling firms like Glaxo (GSK) what to do if it endangers the public and the fight against the virus. The problem will be with Trump trying to force US manufacturers to launch a vaccine too soon by threatening them in various ways. But I think even those US firms would be unlikely to play along - it would ruin their reputation and the public's confidence in the. There's more danger elsewhere with the likes of Putin et al.

On a different topic, this is from BBC Reality Check correcting yet another misinformation scam...
`Coronavirus: The US has not reduced its Covid-19 death toll to 6% of total' LINK
`The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) says it has been deluged with queries about false rumours the official tally of Covid-19 deaths is drastically lower than the publicised headline figure of about 185,000. Social-media posts making this bogus claim have been circulating widely on the internet. And one re-tweeted by President Trump was removed by Twitter for breaching its guidelines. The claim, being amplified by supporters of QAnon conspiracies and others, is only 6% of the total number of people with coronavirus on their death certificate actually died from the virus. This is misleading and not true..'.

Thanks for that you two. You reinforce my opinion yet again to ignore the 'information' swilling about. I don't know enough to be able to judge it so I stick to the basics. Avoid contact as far as possible until we are sure we have an adequate defence. That's a long way off yet.
As for relying on pillars of society like the ones Ken named... Forget it!!

An interesting story from the BBC, are Covid-19 tests picking up dead virus and giving a positive result?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54000629

See what I mean?

Big Kev wrote: ↑05 Sep 2020, 05:34 An interesting story from the BBC, are Covid-19 tests picking up dead virus and giving a positive result?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54000629

This was probably going to happen to a small extent and it's the price we pay for modern test methods which have the benefits of being faster and more specific than the old ones. You win some, you lose some. Old style tests, used for example for bacteria, involved growing the organism from a drop of the test sample; therefore you knew that there was live organism in the sample. The covid-19 tests detect a chemical component specific to the virus and don't give any proof that it's a living organism (or more precisely in the case of a virus, don't prove the sample can infect anyone).

Tizer wrote: ↑05 Sep 2020, 09:28

Big Kev wrote: ↑05 Sep 2020, 05:34 An interesting story from the BBC, are Covid-19 tests picking up dead virus and giving a positive result?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54000629

This was probably going to happen to a small extent and it's the price we pay for modern test methods which have the benefits of being faster and more specific than the old ones. You win some, you lose some. Old style tests, used for example for bacteria, involved growing the organism from a drop of the test sample; therefore you knew that there was live organism in the sample. The covid-19 tests detect a chemical component specific to the virus and don't give any proof that it's a living organism (or more precisely in the case of a virus, don't prove the sample can infect anyone).

Thanks for that Tizer, I wasn't sure about the specifics. Your explanation has added to my limited knowledge.

Same here Kev. Now I understand the problem, I didn't before from the raw news data. OG has a good repository of trustworthy knowledge, I learn every day.

Word on the street (David Whipp Facebook post) is sewage testing, for Covid-19, should be starting in Pendle next week.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-53635692

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... n6vFQpG_5k

A Barlick primary school has a positive test result, the class and immediate staff are in isolation for 14 days now...

http://www.coateslane.lancs.sch.uk/key- ... ine-safety

I read that letter. and it makes no sense to me.

I'm concerned because this thing may have come closer to home this afternoon.

Why - when all children in the year group must self-isolate for 14 days - can the siblings go to school and the rest of the family not have to self isolate, when presumably they have all been in recent close contact with an infected person?

Am I missing something?
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PS later that same evening. . .

I think this will be a big story nationally tomorrow. Back to school Covid

There seems to be a number of different responses to a new case in a school. - and they've only been back to school a few days in England.

Possibly the school only has authority over the children who attend the school. Their parents and siblings will come under 'track and trace' guidelines. The question arises from whom did this child catch the virus. 'When did you last see your father' sort of thing. The lockdown logic could now be put in reverse with folk in Brierfield being locked down because of cases in Barnoldswick 11 miles away.

David, I too can't see the logic behind that para about siblings or indeed the rest of the family. Surely they have all been in contact with a positive case and should isolate? I don't blame this on the headmistress, I assume she is following the guidelines she has been given.
I have said it before, one of the things I remember about rearing children was that they brought every cough and cold going home until they built their immunity. How is Covid different?
Whatever, I wish the child and the classmates well.

Home in the last half hour, Sally and I have just had another test. I had the worst symptoms, starting with diarrhoea which I stopped with Immodium. I then started with a hacking cough with chesty mucus, sore throat and generally feeling pretty rough. No temperature and no loss of taste or smell. Sally started with the same but without the diarrhoea. We thought it prudent to get another test so we booked last night for the testing centre at Settle. We attended on our way home. Should get the results in around 4 hours.

I will report later in the camping thread.

Sounds nasty Ian, whatever it is. Hope you both feel better soon.

Thanks Kev, just registered our tests on the Gov site. Kits were issued on the input site on the car reg we registered with but the guy collecting the tests couldn't get our car reg to work on the output. Didn't have access to our emails for the QRCode they send you and they didn't have scanners for the barcodes on our receipt cards. All sorted though on the Gov. website. Wait and see now.

Ian and Sally - best wishes.

My personal little crisis wa a false alarm - a test has shown no Covid. They had however a drive to Gatwick Airport last evening from North of London for the test. Though the result was sent within less than 24 hours. Come on Dido - we can surely do better than that?

I've spoken to the DfE for guidance on schools' procedures, and they pointed me to this web page.

Guidance for schools

It's very complicated. I know it's selfish, but I'm quite glad I'm out of it all.

I'm beginning to suspect that the Government is reverting back to the original policy of protecting the vulnerable, and letting it spread in the cohort that can cope with it.

Hope it's a negative and that you both make a speedy recovery.

Hope you are both OK. My sister has had a couple of scares, always negative . Fingers crossed