QUOTE OF THE DAY. TRIPPS ORIGINAL

[Tardis]

"Middle age is when you're sitting at home on a Saturday night and the telephone rings and you hope it isn't for you" - Ogden Nash

[Tripps]

Mehdi Hasan says:

"Government spokesman says he’s 4000% certain the regulator can control payday loans"

[Tardis]

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have."

Thomas Jefferson

[hartley353]

Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.
Otto Von Bismarck.

[Tripps]

Chloe Smith MP who resigned her Government post yesterday (before she was re-shuffled today.)

"This was entirely my own decision, and it will enable me to concentrate on the work I'm most interested in which is my constitiuents".

Yeah - right.....

[Tardis]

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." Napoleon Bonaparte

[Tardis]

“Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live” - Oscar Wilde

[plaques]

"Any man who hates dogs and babies can't be all bad." Leo Rosten on W C Fields. Often misattributed to W C Fields

[Tardis]

"It is a socialist idea that making profits is a vice. I consider the real vice is making losses." - Winston Churchill

[Tardis]

"You can't be for big government, big taxes, and big bureaucracy and still be for the little guy." - Ronald Reagan

[Tardis]

"It would be a hard government that should tax its people one-tenth part of their income." - Benjamin Franklin

[Stanley]

If you read the history you'll find that the US government at the time imposed no direct taxes at all so the quotation is not really applicable to today. (See 'American Taxation, American Slavery' by Robin L Eindhorn.)

[Tardis]

If you read the history you'll find that the US government at the time imposed no direct taxes at all so the quotation is not really applicable to today. (See 'American Taxation, American Slavery' by Robin L Eindhorn.)

Possibly. "Experts" believe the figure is nearer 45% now. Taxation will always be important where people confuse 'free' with 'Tax funded'

[Stanley]

Not possibly but actually. Read the book and you'll see why the quote has no modern application as the view on central taxation in those days was based on entirely different parameters.

[Tardis]

Which naturally assumes that the modern view is correct? Whereas once upon a time Franklin was? Shaky ground

[Stanley]

You have no grasp of logic! Franklin's view was apposite to his time and circumstances. He was referring to specific policies of taxation which have no bearing on today. It is not a matter of whether one view is more 'correct' than the other, rather that in today's circumstances the quotation has no validity. I am not on shaky ground, I leave that to you. You are either not aware of the context or wilfully ignoring it. Now go away, get the necessary research materials and do the work, only then will you have full comprehension.

[Tardis]

Context's can change, and from this example I would simply say if Direct Tax rates were 10%, then indirect taxes would need to be adjusted accordingly and can be done so to more evenly benefit people. Plus, at 10% tax rates you have to consider how wealthy you have to be to employ an accountant to avoid paying that level of tax versus the cost of the financial advisor.

People should have more of their money and decide where they want to spend it. The state is not infallable.

The context is only wrong if you deem that one method is set in stone and can never be altered and without the possibility of change you invariably never get innovation.

Remember that 10% of £1million is a lot more money to spend than 10% of £14k

[Whyperion]

I presume the thought of 10% related to old testament tithe ( 10 % of the income of 11/12ths ish population , to support the 1/12th involved with service to the deity ). Old Testament also had + assorted tariffs for sacrifices in particular at the tabernacle/ temple + exhortation to leave the margins of your land unharvested for the poor and landless to feed as they needed ( foodbanks ), + exhortation to provide hospitality to strangers and visitors ( allowing asylum seekers ? ) + warning that if the people wanted a monarchy like the surrounding countries the cost would be More taxes And giving up of children for military service. Of course in that system the 10% to the preists etc did not provide for professional health care payment , pensions were effectively the support role of the large extended family , there was effectively common land ownership ( management / lease rights only lasting 50 years ) , and education - beyond religious instruction in the law - appeared to be non-existant.

[Tripps]

Well that clears that up then.

I'm on Cotes du Rhone Heritages Ogier tonight - I'd recommend it. Morrisons 25% off if you buy six.

I can see clearly now the rain has gone.......

[Whyperion]

Perils of misquotes..

I'm on Cotes du Rhone Heritages Ogier tonight -

... Seeing that before I read on , thought that was a place in Northern France on one of the posh Le Manche beaches

[Stanley]

"The art of quotation requires more delicacy in the practice than those conceive who see nothing more in a quotation than an extract"
Isaac D'Israeli, 'Curiosities of Literature.

[Whyperion]

"Governments should exist to protect people, not institutions, "

Sir John Major , 22 October 2013

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehous ... companies/

[Tardis]

Holding on to ANGER is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; YOU are the one who gets burned. -Buddha

[Tripps]

"U.S. President Barack Obama has told German Chancellor Angela Merkel the United States * , is not monitoring, and will not monitor her communications."

Might have sounded better if he said * "has never monitored" but two out of three ain't bad!

Lussac St Emillion 2011 small glass - for the record.

[Tripps]

Fred Kite Bob Crow on the Sunday Politics, BBC.

"I take my hat off to Unite for saving them jobs in Grangemouth"