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Stafford Beer, (LINK).
Stafford Beer. Extract from SG memoirs.
[The complete memoir is to be found on www.oneguyfrombarlick.co.uk }


In 1983 I was at a fairly loose end when I got a call from David Moore. “How would you like a weeks paid holiday in Chelt?” My response was where the hell’s Chelt? “In Manchester at the Business School!” It turned out that Chelt was an exercise in educational management which Squee Gordon and David had put together. It was run under the auspices of the Manchester Business School and the formula was that a group of high powered educationalists were divided into different provinces of the mythical country Chelt and the object was for the teams to compete with each other for educational resources. They were short of a couple of bodies so Nancy Reid from the college and myself were roped in to make the numbers up. I was never quite sure of what we were doing and my team soon found out that my forte was black propaganda. I set up a news agency and issued press releases which dictated the course of events. I gave all one province’s sheep scab and had the leader of one of the teams accused of having carnal relations with a sheep. I soon found out that the more hilarious the press release the more chance there was of the referees validating it! We had a wonderful time.

While I was at Chelt I met a Filipino called Amado Carandang, we got on well together and he gave me some of his clothes on the grounds he had too much luggage. Actually I think he just felt sorry for me because I hadn’t got what he saw as a proper job and a good wage! 15 years later Amado and I met in Perth, Western Australia and he had become a priest in the interim. He hadn’t changed a bit and we spent a happy afternoon on the side of the Indian Ocean reminiscing about Chelt and the men behind it. I asked him what the chances were of the College of Cardinals electing a black woman as Pope? I knew the answer of course but it lead to an interesting conversation. He told me one thing that I didn’t know and that is that the bishop is, in law, the owner of the assets of the diocese . The consequence of this is that if any of his priests are sued for damages for any reason, the bishop has to pay. In view of the embarrassing cases being brought against many priests at the time, this was a matter of considerable concern to the church.

I met another man at Chelt, I found myself one evening having a quiet drink with Stafford Beer, the man who wrote ‘Brain of the Firm’ amongst other books. He was a wonderful bloke, an academic, guru, poet, socialist and one of the worlds leading authorities on cybernetics. At about three in the morning I asked him if he could encapsulate all he knew about communication in one aphorism and he said yes! I think I realised how drunk he was at that point but this is what he said; “It isn’t what is communicated, or how it’s communicated or how it’s received, it is what is understood.” His example was Chinese Whispers, the party game where you whisper a message to the person next to you and they pass it on, “Send reinforcements, we are about to advance.” Becomes “Send three and fourpence, we are going to a dance.” The other classic is “Have captured Rommel!” becoming “Have ruptured camel!” He also told me a good story and if a memoir isn’t the place for a good story I don’t know what is!

The west coast of North America was seen as vulnerable to attack by the Japanese at the start of WWII and the American and Mexican governments decided to intern all inhabitants who were Japanese. When this edict was announced there was a storm of protest. There was at that time in Mexico City an ice cream manufacturer who was born in Japan and employed Japanese workers. He, and many of his workers had been resident in Mexico for years. This man was well connected and protested to a high government official of his acquaintance that the edict was grossly unfair to long term residents who had proved their commitment to the country over the years and that there was a case for some discretion. The official consulted with his colleagues and eventually it was agreed that the man had a point and he and his long serving employees were exempted from the edict.

In 1946 the owner of the ice cream company gave a banquet in honour of the official who had obtained the exemption for them, he was by then in an even higher government post. The owner rose to his feet after the meal and made a speech in which he said that the banquet was the company’s way of saying thank you for the good treatment they had received all through the war, there was also a surprise and a gift. At this point a door opened at the back of the hall and three men wheeled trolleys into the room piled high with manila folders and documents. The owner of the firm said, “You were quite right in the first instance when you decided to intern us, we were all Japanese spies! Our job was to prepare for the invasion by identifying all the water resources in Mexico and producing a plan whereby they could be used most effectively when Japan invaded and conquered Mexico. That is the surprise, the gift is on these trolleys, it is the results of all our work over the years!” Stafford said that three years later Mexico got a large international loan to re-organise the country’s water resources and put many of the recommendations of the Japanese ice cream firm into effect!
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One more detail to add to the above. The man who ordained Amado as a Jesuit Priest was Cardinal Sin. :biggrin2:
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5th of April 2009. Castle Cement stack falls at Clitheroe. This was good news for the people of the town who had been complaining for years about pollution from the stack as the company was using cheap contaminated solvents as fuel and the suspicion was that this meant that dioxins were emitted. This was never proved but the suspicion was strong enough to trigger the migration of my eldest daughter to Australia. A forgotten corner and good riddance.
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At this time of year I always remember my late friend Alan Andrews, a man of many talents amongst them the fact he was a good artist. Here's a Xmas card he made and sent to me twenty years ago. Not really a forgotten corner because I remember him each year when I use his card again. But I think you will understand what I mean...
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Xmas dinner at Hey Farm in 1977. You know time is rolling on when you realise that only two of the children are still alive, everyone else in the image is dead. This is definitely a long gone corner but not entirely forgotten.
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This was a deep well pump I saved from scrapping in 1987. I got it refurbished by the Rochdale Apprentice School and it was installed as an item of interest in the new Co-op shopping centre in Rochdale together with a Robinson's wood saw and a donkey engine. At some point they fell out of favour and I don't know what happened to any of them. All that work potentially wasted. A forgotten corner and a warning. Artefacts need some statutory protection. Commercial organisations can't be trusted with them!
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Forgive the quality. Earby Film Transport was a haulage firm based behind the cinema in Earby. For many years they had the contract for transporting reels of film to cinemas in the district so that programmes could be changed often more than once a week. A forgotten corner.
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Geoffrey, (can't for the life of me remember his surname) was the driver for Earby Film Transport for a lot of years. He was good mate of and lived next door to my workmate at Cook & Thornton's, Alec Bracewell on Cemetery Road.
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My friend Steve on Railway Street drove for them for many years.

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Coates Mill from the canal bank in 1987. All long gone now of course but a well used mill. Started as cotton in 1861 then became Dobson's Dairy, after that Carr's Printers then Yorkshire Plush and finally Hope cycle accessories.
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Wasn't it Yorkshire Plush before Carr's Printers? I remember going down onto Coates Bridge when it was on fire, it was Yorkshire Plush then.
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I think you may br right Ian. I was thinking that as I posted but left it how it was in the hope someone could correct me.
I went for a furtle and found this in the Craven Herald archive.
" 50 years ago.
Thirty workers from the Barnoldswick firm of Yorkshire Plush Ltd, Coates Mill, entertained the perfect employer to a dinner at the Coronation Hotel, Horton-in-Craven, as a tribute to the pleasant way he treated them and the manner in which he made the business go since he took over two years earlier. "

This was written in 2016 so that makes it 56 years ago, in 1966, so you are right Ian, it was before Carr's Printers.
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As another aside, I got hooked on angling there when I was about 7 or 8 years old. Caught my first fish there when it was still Dobson's, there was a run off from the dairy into the canal and the water was a bit warmer by the factory wall, fish used to shoal there, so it was a good spot for fishing at the time. I remember it was a 4oz Perch. I had an 8ft two piece solid fibre glass rod with a centre pin reel. I soon upgraded to a bit better kit and once in my teens and up to my mid thirties did a lot of match fishing in the local clubs Sunday contests, canal and reservoir. :smile:
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Funny you should mention that Ian. I have known anglers who swear by whey mixed in with their bait as being attractive to fish. Whey was amongst the milk products handled by Dobson's at Coates.
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It can be amazing what can attract fish, there are lots of weird and wonderful concoctions used for bait and as attractors in ground bait. A favourite for match fishermen apart from blood worm which you could buy from some angling shops or gather yourself from the silt in the canal were "Gozzers". These were home reared super maggots. I once had a go in the old coal house when we lived on York Street. It involved a raw chicken carcase or maybe liver, it had to have gone off to ensure it got blown properly, the resultant maggots were left longer on the food source so that they grew fatter than their commercially produced cousins from the maggot farms that you bought by the pint from the tackle shops. The trick was timing it right so that you produced the goods at the right time for the match.
The other natural "killer" bait, wasp grubs. Predatory species like Perch go mad for them. My dad told me that even back in the late 1920's lads could get a shilling a cake for wasp grubs. Teams of two would go raiding for them, they tossed up who had the spade and who did the swatting, could be quite a lucrative trade for young lads. I reckon that's a forgotten corner now.
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I once visited a maggot farm at Bradford and I always remember the old bloke who was taking me there stopped at the top of the field before we descended to the farm buildings. "Dosta smook?" "Yes" "Then leet up!" :biggrin2:

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One of my Scottish Farmers at Lanark action Market in 1977, Willie Wilson of Crawfordjohn. I remember him for many reasons, one was that he was very fond! :biggrin2:
He once said something to me that has stuck in my mind, they had a saying there.... "Into Crawfordjohn and out of the world". It was on a road to nowhere going up into the hills. (I think eventually it got you to Leadhills but I never had any reason to go further up there.)
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You could have panned for gold at Leadhills. :smile:
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I had business in Lanark Wendy.... No time for adventures in the hills.
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Feeding calves in 1976. Rewarding but a pain at times especially at 2am in the morning before setting off for Scotland. A forgotten corner for me now but someone somewhere has to do it!
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This is just one of the set of drawings that was presented to the mill-builders by Burnley Ironworks in 1903 when they were installing the engine at Moss Shed, Barnoldswick. All done by hand of course and works of art.
Long gone. Today you'd get a CAD file in and email if you were lucky!
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Xmas pudding Hey Farm 1977.
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For many years as I trammed up into Scotland I used to pass this outbarn on the side of the road at Moss Band, just north of Carlisle. It always intrigued me but I never had time to stop and have a close look at it. That changed one day in 1977 when I was on holiday and could stop. I did this pic and I think you can see why it fascinated me. Its history is written in the gable end. As it got to be too small the roof was ripped off, the walls elevated and the whole rebuilt. You can see that in the course of its life that happened twice. An index of the prosperity of the farmer.
Will it ever get another makeover? I don't know but I fear this might be a forgotten corner....
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Tacklers at Moss Shed before WW1. In those days these men were the working class aristocracy, they had a powerful union and what they said in the shed was law. Their grip started to weaken during The Great War but they were still a force to be reckoned with right up to the end of the industry. Definitely a forgotten corner now....
[I've always thought that this image was intended to convey a message. Notice how carefully posed the men are.]
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Fifty Years ago my uncle Stan in Australia offered me a job driving in Oz on the early road trains. I had other things to do here and never took his offer up. If I had I could have been driving something like this when I reached retirement. (If I had survived, it was a rough job!) So it's a forgotten Corner!
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It's 1980 at Heathrow and youngest daughter Janet and I are flying out to Montreal together. We saw Concorde preparing for the New York flight. All a forgotten corner now on so many levels.... I know Concorde wasn't a commercial success but it was a magnificent achievement.
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The railway bridge carrying Rainhall Road over the branch railway line. Long gone and forgotten. I remember being surprised when I found it was an iron bridge.
(It makes me wonder if the two bridges over the beck in Valley Gardens could have used the girders from this bridge and not the one over the canal near Salterforth as they look too heavy.)
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