Wendyf wrote: ↑21 Aug 2022, 06:21
pronouncing Sebastopol as Sebba-stoppol yesterday, is this the latest trend?
Those who have been keeping up will already be aware of the correct pronunciation of the towns of Crimea.
Look HERE then click on the link to Zhankoye in the post.
I was surprised how long ago I posted it, and I've had to update the link to the song. This isn't the first time Putin had invaded Ukraine. The detail of it all is beyond me, but I don't remember worrying quite so much last time.
Anyway - enjoy a taste of my kind of music.
PS - I'm waiting for the BBC to be consistent in its approach, and speak of 'Paree' - and Roma for Rome, and Firenze for Florence, but I think it may be a long wait.
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Listening to Ramblings on R4 and they are up at Malham today. During discussions about 'Janet's Foss', a place name near Malham, it was mentioned that the word 'foss' is Scandinavian for waterfall and this is why so many waterfalls in the Dales are named 'Force'. I can't remember knowing that.....
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I had a bad night last night and much radio channel hopping was involved. I've a vague memory of hearing Clare Balding's voice saying 'Malham' several times.
Here are some 'alternative facts'. Of course both might be true.
Walking the Fosse Way -
The name “Fosse” derives from the Latin fossa meaning “ditch”; probably less to do with road-building techniques than with the suggestion that the Way followed a one-time defensive ditch running along the western border of Roman-controlled England.9 Aug 2022
Born to be mild Sapere Aude Ego Lego Preferred pronouns - Thou, Thee, Thy, Thine My non-working days are Monday - Sunday
I looked at the etymology of foss and in essence it comes from Old Nordic fors or foss and means waterfall.
'Fosse' is quite different and derives from Old French ; fosse, from Latin ; fossa (“ditch, trench”).
Complicated stuff this word origins lark.......
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Tripps wrote: ↑03 Sep 2022, 09:45
Of course both might be true.
And so it came to pass.
Can't help noticing similarities between force and foss and the Yorkshire pronunciation of horse and hoss.
Though perhaps I have watched too much of 'All Creatures Great and Small' ?
Born to be mild Sapere Aude Ego Lego Preferred pronouns - Thou, Thee, Thy, Thine My non-working days are Monday - Sunday
Have we ever considered the use of 'degging' for watering? As in degging-can. It came into my mind as I opened the back door and found it was raining heavily, I thought good, we need a good degging. Is it local or have I picked it up somewhere in my travels? "Though perhaps I have watched too much of 'All Creatures Great and Small' "
David, you can't watch too much of that!
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Stanley wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 02:30
Have we ever considered the use of 'degging' for watering? As in degging-can.
I've known 'degging can' for a long time - not heard since childhood though, and never heard degging used in any other sense. Certainly never heard in connection with rainfall.
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Stanley wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 02:30
Have we ever considered the use of 'degging' for watering? As in degging-can.
I've known 'degging can' for a long time - not heard since childhood though, and never heard degging used in any other sense. Certainly never heard in connection with rainfall.
I'm told we've now left the Elizabethan age and with a new King Charles entered a Carolean age. Apparently it's Carolean and not Carolinian because the latter refers back to Charles I and the former to Charles II and we don't want our new man to lose his head.
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Tizer wrote: ↑11 Sep 2022, 10:28
I'm told we've now left the Elizabethan age and with a new King Charles entered a Carolean age. Apparently it's Carolean and not Carolinian because the latter refers back to Charles I and the former to Charles II and we don't want our new man to lose his head.
Tizer wrote: ↑11 Sep 2022, 10:28
I'm told we've now left the Elizabethan age and with a new King Charles entered a Carolean age. Apparently it's Carolean and not Carolinian because the latter refers back to Charles I and the former to Charles II and we don't want our new man to lose his head.
We're not 'Charlies' then?
So HM Subjects are Charles the Third's Herd ? Or a right bunch of Charlies ?
Cannot find the punctuation or Pedant's thread. But DHCMS has apparently banned double negatives in writing , along with the Oxford Comma. Something I dont fully understand, despite and OED definition and a newspaper's example.
<quote>
They said the Government has “set out a broad guide for staff to help provide an efficient service to the public and deliver better outcomes to patients”.
What is the Oxford Comma?
Ironically, the Oxford Dictionary has all the answers. The official definition of the Oxford comma is “a comma used after the penultimate item in a list of three or more items, before ‘and’ or ‘or’.”
For example: “Today I went to lunch with my roommates, Tom, and Molly.”
The comma between “Tom” and “and” tells us that all three entities mentioned are separate and that Tom and Molly are not the speaker’s roommates, but additional lunchmates. <endquote>
The example does look to be bad english, and the guidence may well be a general civil service style guide for official communication which would make sense to have at hand.
The example really one would normally say (and write), " I went to lunch with Tom. Molly and my roomates." (thus not only putting the general after the specific , but removing the ambiguity which could still arise when verbalising the phrase on text to speech for the blind for example on webpages nowadays, where even a comma pause could be overlooked or missed in the reading. The phrasing is one of the forms of English that do give the amusing comedy of activity, subject and description , that I dont think other languages have where they force the order of the referencing and reporting in speech, wonder why English does have it ?
What is the Oxford Comma? As I understand it we are not talking about straight forward grammar punctuation that was drummed into us at school but 'woke' language, whatever that is, and repetitive Palilalia or Redundant Acronym Syndrome syndrome. A bit like what I've just done.
Who cares Ken. Like so much grammar we don't know the actual rules but we still get it right because it was drummed into us by our teachers and very well-written comics like the Adventure.....
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Stanley wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 02:09
....and very well-written comics like the Adventure.....
I remember one of the Doctors where Mrs P worked was re-locating to Egypt and we were buying some of his utility machines. My pal was helping with his trailer. Sat having a cup of tea the conversation turned to India the Doctors home country. My pal came out with loads of history and names and facts. Afterwards I said where did you get all that from. "The Adventure" was his reply.
plaques wrote: ↑15 Sep 2022, 20:32
What is the Oxford Comma? As I understand it we are not talking about straight forward grammar punctuation that was drummed into us at school but 'woke' language, whatever that is, and repetitive Palilalia or Redundant Acronym Syndrome syndrome. A bit like what I've just done.
I still get confused that Oxford Bags are a design of a pair of trousers.
A word came to mind yesterday which I haven't heard for a long time. "Trudgen". I looked it up to make sure my memory was accurate and sure enough, there it was. "n. A swimming stroke in which alternating overarm movements are combined with a scissors kick.
[After John Trudgen (1852-1902), British swimmer.]
Another entry in Wikipedia: The trudgen is a swimming stroke sometimes known as the racing stroke, or the East Indian stroke. It is named after the English swimmer John Trudgen and evolved out of sidestroke. One swims mostly upon one side, making an overhand movement, lifting the arms alternately out of the water
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I would amend that definition into a modified side stroke. Dad used to swim this stroke when he was learning me back in the mid 1940s at a time when the 'Australian' crawl had taken over. He told me in its day it was considered the fastest racing stroke beating the side stroke. The swimming movement is basically the side stroke but only 'one' arm is lifted out of the water as per crawl, not alternatively, the other deeper arm completes the side stroke movement.
On days when the old shoulder is acting up I do the odd length using the trudgen much to the amusement of the youngsters who have never seen it being used.
