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My recent articles about child's play certainly hit a nerve, I have had a lot of feed back. Thanks for that, it's nice to know people are reading and taking notice. One comment was that you have to be over 50 years old to really appreciate the things we did in our spare time all those years ago because so much has changed. I think this is probably right. The modern obsession with 'safety' tends to make parents over-protective and in the process they deprive the children of much valuable street experience that serves them well in later life. We found out very quickly that actions have consequences, unlike video games where you can get away (literally) with murder and extreme violence.
One evidence of this is the modern concept of 'the school run' where many children are delivered to the school gate often in large urban assault vehicles! When I was a lad we always walked to school, even when I was only just over four years old and had a mile to walk to Hope Memorial on Huntsman's Brow, crossing a main road on the way with no crossing warden to help me. Later I had even further to go but I can't remember ever being ferried in the car.
Thinking about this another thing struck me. I was born in 1936 and in my early years at school we were all carrying gas masks, doing Air Raid Drills and being lectured about not picking up brightly coloured objects because they were explosive devices dropped by the Jerries to kill children. I'm not sure if that was true but we collected shrapnel that fell from the sky like rain from the Ack Ack shells that were fired at the bombers. No great danger to us going to school as it fell mostly at night but I do remember staggering into school one morning with a particularly interesting find, a full clip of 20mm explosive cannon shells from a damaged German plane. That got the teacher's attention! The local Bomb Disposal people came straight away and I got a severe ticking off! Add to this the bombing we had to put up with, everything from incendiaries to land mines that had over a ton of explosive in them and you can see why the 'dangers' of walking alone to school didn't carry a lot of weight with our parents!
I'm glad our modern children aren't exposed to things like this but the result seems to have been too much concentration on safety by over-protective parents. Unwittingly they are depriving children of valuable experience that will serve them well in later life. I don't see walking to school as hazardous in Barlick! Perhaps we were too busy surviving to worry over-much about safety. Perhaps I was just lucky but I can assure you it wasn't an unhappy childhood and I am sure we all came out stronger at the end of the war. Let the kids have their adventures and they'll spend less time in their bedrooms in front of a screen!

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This is what a land mine looked like! This one failed to explode in Liverpool in 1940.
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I understand what you are saying Stanley and that you were able to do what you did 'in your time', that's great, and 'my time' was different again to yours. But today is very different again, just the same as it was different for your parents. Today parents have grown up being made very aware of all sorts of wierdos that are 'out there' and when you learn of these things and then have your own children, ofcourse your radar is alerted. Most things that can happen aren't kept hush hush any more. The kids today might not have war relics to look out for or dissappear for hours on end to play in local dams or old mines etc, and I don't like to think that today's kid's are being kept in cotton wool either, but they still have today's nasties to look out for which are just as bad in their own way. It's hard today to give your children wings, and at the same time knowing what could happen.
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Fortunately the war did not affect our playing out - just saw one plane taking photographs of Dotcliffe Mill. A different story when I went to my grandma's near Sheffield, it was on the run in for the bombers to the steel works.
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That would be interesting Moh!
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Have to say it... sometimes I feel totally invisible on this site.
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Cathy, understand what you said in your post; my two teens have had quite a free rein. Hope it's not something I'll regret...
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I know what I said... ...

but todays responsible (and loving) parents have a lot more to think about. Kidnappers, abducters, sexual predaters, serial killers, drug pushers, heavy traffic, bullies in the social media, the internet, thiefs (pc's, sneakers, mobile phones) racial prejudice, and on and on it go's.

Sadly it's a different world today. Don't blame todays parents for keeping tabs on their kids 24/7.
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I'll agree with you Cathy on drug pushers, heavy traffic, bullies in the social media, the internet but less so on kidnappers, abducters, sexual predators, serial killers and racial prejudice. I suspect there were the same or more of kidnappers, abducters, sexual predators and serial killers in the old days but we heard less about them and fewer of them would have been caught; fortunately probably more are caught now and the newspapers warn us about it. Unfortunately some of the papers cry wolf all the time and make it seem much worse than it is. As for racial prejudice, we went through a bad time but it's got better now. And there's always been such problems...I was bullied when I started at infants school because my mum came from South Africa and I'd got her accent, which some folk thought was German.

I particularly agree with Stanley's final comment "Let the kids have their adventures and they'll spend less time in their bedrooms in front of a screen!" In Britain we've heard on the news this week about a rise in self-harming among boys and blame is getting put on social media and the like. But I think it's more to do with what Stanley has said - out of school, kids are spending too much time huddled away on their own, through their early years and into teenage times. Everything gets bottled up in their brains and they take it out on themselves. In the past we were interacting all the time with other children, too busy to fret, and burning off all the aggro through child's play. If you had a grievance you got it sorted there and then and didn't leave it to fester. Our minds were occupied with external things - it only needed the workmen to come and dig a hole in the road and there would a group of kids peering into it and asking "What'yer doin' mister?" :laugh5:
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David, sorry for "I know what I said .. ", I read the beginning of your reply in the wrong context.

Thank goodness that not every point I made relates to all children, but I have grown-up in a state (SA) where we sadly often hear of children and teenagers going missing, and the actions of depraved people. In the mid '60s a school friend and her brother and sister were all taken at the same time. They still haven't closed the case 50yrs later. Every few years the police hear of a new 'lead' and report the investigations on the TV. Just recently the police used some new technology - a machine that can see through concrete - as part of their investigations of a new lead, but they didn't find anything.
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Cathy, you know you're not invisible.... I missed your post, sorry.
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Bumped and the image restored. Again, just as pertinent today as it was seven years ago. (Possibly more so....)
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Spooky, we were just talking about "how do kids meet each other" before I opened up OG. There were youth clubs, School and church bands, cinemas, dancehalls, and even 'the drag'. Even shopping is dying on its feet. Pubs are closing leaving big city nightclubs which in itself is a worry. University was a good alternative until it went on line. How do you learn about life sat at home behind a PC? Strange times for us all.
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Aren't they Ken.... No wonder some of us look back at what seems like a golden age for kids spare time activities because there were no indoor distractions. They don't get witchered and nithered in the 'safety' of their bedrooms.
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Very interesting article, especially what Cathy says about her friend along with her brother and sister going missing, never to be found. It cannot be imagined what those parents went through.
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plaques wrote: 12 Dec 2021, 08:18 Spooky, we were just talking about "how do kids meet each other" before I opened up OG. There were youth clubs, School and church bands, cinemas, dancehalls, and even 'the drag'. Even shopping is dying on its feet. Pubs are closing leaving big city nightclubs which in itself is a worry. University was a good alternative until it went on line. How do you learn about life sat at home behind a PC? Strange times for us all.
Grand-daughter has recently started Rainbows (the BP section below Brownies). Got here Drawing Badge after a couple of weeks, I had a look at what they cover - it takes about the full two years to do it all , and has really been well worked out and is complimentary to school education without competing with it. Of course most of the kids go to the same primary school as her - but not all - some attend other nearby ones. Grandson will probably join with Beavers (or the new Squirrels if a section is formed). I personally could not stand such activities but still had a pool of friends of various ages mostly among neighbours and a variety of church groups.
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Bumped again. The older I get, the more I realise that I am not qualified to comment on the lives today's young lead. I can't even say whether they have any childhood at all once they start school and get exposed to the world.
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More and more I think that the concept of 'childhood' is getting shorter and shorter. Think of young kids with smart phones accessing free porn..,..... That is light years away from us picking the gas tar from between the setts on a hot day so we could model it like plasticine. (And mother used to get it off our fingers by rubbing them with butter.)
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