TIZER'S SCIENCE NEWS

[hartley353]

Most people run because they have become addicted to the endorphines produced whilst doing so, this applies to many other sports requiring exertion, they will not feel well till they have pushed themselves.

[Bodger]

Youre older than you thought !
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... years.html

[hartley353]

Those meddling scientists were reported recently carrying out a world wide DNA sampling, the results of which were the conclusion that every human being on earth was a descendant of one woman in central Africa? Shall we call her Eve!

[Stanley]

Bodge. Lovely bit of evidence to confirm what I wrote in the last SV article 'Mongrels'.
See this LINK for Mitochondrial Eve. I don't know if they've got the genome of dinosaurs yet.....

[Bodger]

I do a bit of genealogy, so starting at me i create an ever widening triangle of ancestors, but if we are decended from say a basic couple, there should be an opposite triangle of their decendants, where do the two triangles meet ?
Hope everyone understands what i'm trying to say, my theory is that the outline of ancestors and the original couples decendants would show a diamond shape !

[Stanley]

If you take the theory to its obvious conclusion the result is a pyramid if you start from the opposite end in Africa, we are all related to the original Mitochondrial Eve (Or Eves, as some believe there were seven of them). On a parallel track this genetic connection has played a large part in the search for an answer to the puzzle of lipid research as it confirms that the original diet had an ideal balance between Omega3 and Omega6 fats which is now seen as the key to one of the last puzzles about nutrition, how high fat diets do not result in what we now call the Western Diseases as long as the balance is right. These early humans evolved on this diet and left us a genetic imprint that means that our bodies are programmed to work on the same diet as our genes are exactly the same as theirs and in terms of evolution the time interval of probably 100,000 years is minuscule.

[Bruff]

This is the old conundrum of my having 2 parents; they each having 2 parents; those in turn having 2 parents and before long well, there's more folk in 'my' line than ever lived!

Is it not the case that, going back pretty soon x-removed cousins were coupling, so the pyramid collapses in on itself or at least becomes very fuzzy, as fecund men were at a premium and so fathered many, many children by loads of different women? Many men - perhaps the majority - were killed before they had a chance to procreate.

We're all related to William the Conquerer and all that.....

Richard Broughton

[Stanley]

And chimpanzees....

[Stanley]

The figures for the measles outbreak in South Wales are still rising and the doctors see the resumption of school next week as a mixed blessing. On one hand it makes it easier to identify the children at risk but the fact that they are back together in enclosed premises increases the possibility of cross infection. Previous experience suggests that the numbers affected will rise for a while yet. The only good thing about the outbreak is that it has resulted in many more children being immunised. My mind goes back to the days during the war when, despite all the shortages, we were all immunised for everything, either at school or the clinics which had been set up for mothers and children. We got free orange juice concentrate and Cod Liver Oil as well!

[PanBiker]

Similar to the disinformation put out about the MMR vaccine leading to misery for 1000's of kids left without immunity. I wonder how much damage has been done to children's heart surgery services at Leeds over the last month. A similar kind of thing, misinterpretation of data sensationalised by the press. Very difficult to counter when it is perceived that children may be at risk even thought there is no meat to the accusations, tragic really.

[Stanley]

Count is over 7,000 cases and in a report it was commented on how many teenagers had turned up for the jab.

[Stanley]

Worrying news this morning that in worst case, Gonorrhoea could be untreatable with current antibiotics by 2015. Not so much because of AB resistance but due to increased incidence and natural evolution of the bacteria.

[Tizer]

We tend to forget that bacteria have been around for about 10,000 times longer than humans...they've had a head start on us! And they'll be here when we've gone.

[Bodger]

There is a possible alternative
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteriophage

[Tizer]

And fleas have little fleas,
On their backs to bite them.

[Stanley]

Big fleas have little fleas,
Upon their backs to bite 'em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas,
and so, ad infinitum.
(The Siphonaptera, by Augustus De Morgan, 1872, after Jonathan Swift's On Poetry: a Rhapsody, 1733)

[Stanley]

Scientists warn of the dangers of drinking as little as two cans of sugary soft drinks a day.
A massive 'catch-up' campaign is launched to vaccinate probably 1 million young people with the MMR vaccine. They estimate there are over a million young people who have either not been vaccinated or never completed the course. One wonders how we could have let this situation arise. I know the reasons but still don't understand the thinking. I can remember the childhood diseases that were common when I was a lad and nobody ever refused immunisation. Perhaps that's the key, we had the strong incentive of seeing the 'fever wagon' abroad on our streets. No problem identifying them, they were painted bright yellow in Stockport.

[PanBiker]

Unfortunately it probably will take a few teenagers to die of the disease to re-focus the mind and redress the failings of their parents. It's a tragedy which ever way you look at it though.

[hartley353]

During the 50's some of my school friends succumbed to common childhood illnesses, Scarlet fever, bronchitus.polio,etc. My siblings and myself were fortunate to survive we all had mumps,measles,, chicken pox,german measles, and seem to have survived them with no ill effects. We also went through the school vaccination process. It is very easy to understand parents reluctance to have the combined mmr vaccine, nobody wants to be the one in what ever odds, that results in a damaged child. why did our health system not revert back to a single illness vaccine when the alternative was so unpopular. Parents always no best.

[PanBiker]

It is very easy to understand parents reluctance to have the combined mmr vaccine, nobody wants to be the one in what ever odds, that results in a damaged child. why did our health system not revert back to a single illness vaccine when the alternative was so unpopular. Parents always no best.

If parents know best, why are we now seeing multiple outbreaks of measles and in the age groups of children who were not covered by vaccination when young?

You also choose to ignore the fact that there is no directly attributable evidence that the combined MMR vaccine has more risk than the individual jabs. There are risks with any vaccine however derived, just as there are when you have an operation or even donate blood. In the vast majority of cases the benefits of any of the aforementioned treatments or procedures vastly outweigh the risks.

I wish all the parents that refused their children the vaccine and who are now at their hospital beds all the best and hope all their children make a full recovery. They have to live with that decision for better or worse, I hope it's not the latter for anyone.

[hartley353]

The latter is not worth the gamble, there is a far better chance of recovery should you catch the disease. should you be one of the latter then there is no way back I would never gamble with my childs life. the proof of damage by vaccination may not be proved , but the damage is evident.

[PanBiker]

I assume you have never crossed the road with your children or driven them in a car. You seem to contradict yourself with every statement you make.

[hartley353]

Now we are delving into the realms of nonsense,we all have to take risks to carry out our lives, but we take the utmost care to alleviate them, having the MMR jab is one point were we will have only the one choice, the possibility of a ruined life or a short illness, no contest.

[PanBiker]

Now we are delving into the realms of nonsense,we all have to take risks to carry out our lives, but we take the utmost care to alleviate them, having the MMR jab is one point were we will have only the one choice, the possibility of a ruined life or a short illness, no contest.

Not nonsense at all, you should add the other possible outcome as well to balance the argument and that is death and that is a ruined life.

My last word on this matter as I have better things to do than engage in banter with irrational individuals who choose to ignore the scientific facts and that of the majority of public opinion. I wish you well playing with fire.

[hartley353]

Before you find something else to do, research measles. Measles is not a killer disease, the few who die whilst infected by Measles, die of complications, these complications would probably kill them if they were suffering from many other Viral infections. some people do not have good immune systems, its just genetics. The poor guy who died in Wales Was suffering from measles, but I think the autopsy will find it was a complication he died of. My heart goes out to his parents and family but I can still see no stupidity in parents not vaccinating only bravery.