CLIMATE CHANGE AND GLOBAL WARMING

[Stanley]

Quite! I know who I would put my trust in. The basic principle should be 'worst case' planning.

[Stanley]

I've been banging on about the jet stream and its effect on the weather for years. It looks as though others have started asking the same questions. LINK

[hartley353]

Over the last three months I have watched a slow but visible turn against the global warming myth, the time of the denier is nigh. Soon their will be some red faces, and politicians blaming bad advisors, Maybe even a few scientists theoretically stoned. Above all this will be the satisfaction of being right.

[Stanley]

Really? Theoretically stoned? How will we know when the 'deniers' are proved to be 'right'?

[hartley353]

You can rest assured I will bring you the glad tidings.

[Bruff]

''Over the last three months I have watched a slow but visible turn against the global warming myth, the time of the denier is nigh.

Hilarious (quite apart from where on earth you've seen this).

It's not going to happen. Seriously. It's not going to happen. You might as well await a visible turn against gravity as the time of the flat-earther is nigh.

You and your like'll have to come up with an alternative explanation and evidence that fits with the accepted laws of physics and chemistry and atmospherics and so on (or concurrently, revisit these disciplines too). And frankly, that's not going to happen as you're not bright enough. I wouldn't take that too personally. I'm not bright enough either. But I guess in my defense I'd submit I have the wherewithal to recognise the level of my ignorance in this as in any other matter as appropriate.

Mind you, I'll ask again. Please set out your evidence-based counter-argument for consideration and review by your peers.

Richard Broughton

[Tizer]

New York Times, 16 February 2014
Kerry Implores Indonesia on Climate Change Peril
JAKARTA, Indonesia — "Secretary of State John Kerry urged Indonesia on Sunday to take steps to combat climate change, warning that failure to act would jeopardize the nation’s resources and damage its economy. Warming seas, he said, could deal a severe blow to Indonesia’s fishing industry, while powerful storms could buffet the country and rising seas may put much of Jakarta, the capital, under water. “This city, this country, this region is really on the front lines of climate change,” Mr. Kerry said in a speech. “It’s not an exaggeration to say to you that your entire way of life that you live and love is at risk.” Mr. Kerry, who has long been outspoken concerning climate change, hopes to make it a signature issue of his tenure as secretary of state. He aims, in particular, to be the lead broker of a 2015 United Nations treaty committing the world’s economies to significant cuts in carbon emissions and sweeping changes in the global energy economy."
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/17/world ... .html?_r=1
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Anyone who still holds on to Lawson's claim that global temperature is no longer rising should take a look at the information provided by scientists on this RealClimate web page. It's compiled by scientists working on climate change to help the public and news media people find the facts.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/ar ... ture-2013/

[hartley353]

This is not the place for educating the unwise. The evidence is all around you, don't seek for verification of your misheld believes open your minds to the truth. Many of your peers are forecasting a period of global cooling now. Have patience many people were duped by global warming there is little shame in having joined them.

[Bruff]

'This is not the place for educating the unwise'

Hilarious. Of course! How convenient for you. Goodness me, educational standards have dropped in this country..........

Richard Broughton

[hartley353]

Are! we have a common ground. Yes educational standards have been dumbed down in this country, and many more places on our planet, glad you have noticed. Maybe there is no requirement for me to come round with chamois, and squeegee, and give your window on the world a polish.

[David Whipp]

The evidence is all around you, don't seek for verification of your misheld believes open your minds to the truth.

Well, quite.

Here we are, confronting a massive disruption to the carbon cycle - the largest mankind has ever seen. Plenty of evidence for those prepared to see it.

[Whyperion]

We are uncertain of the direct causes of climate change , and to what extent an individual or a state can make an overall difference to managing climate favourable either for the environment or humankind. So we do need to learn somehow to live with the more extreme weather in some way. But we do know that some things that can be done should be good environmental improvements regardless of their impact on global warming/ long term temperature change.

Burning fossil fuels rather than renewables, probably not a good idea, but per head its the much larger countries that are going to be larger contributors. Also can affect at pollution at more local levels.

Tearing up the rainforests and similar green spaces in the name of development (and biofuels annoyingly). Also directly affects known and undiscovered wildlife.

Failure to re-use redundant buildings, building materials (other than crush for road core). Problem is the costs(particulary labour) of re-use is greater than buying new.

[Stanley]

Richard, as my grandmother used to say "there are none so blind as those who do not want to see".
"The man who never changes his opinion is like stagnant water and reptiles breed in his mind" (William Blake on Opinions)

[Stanley]

I heard an unexpected consequence of the heavy rain, floods and rising ground water levels this morning. It has become impossible to bury bodies in some graveyards because the water table is higher than the bottom of the graves and this is preventing burials. I don't suppose anybody anticipated that one!

[Tizer]

Another consequence of the floods here in Somerset that you don't hear about is the number of dead wild animals. Farmers' dogs have been bringing in carcasses and there'll be more when the floods recede. There are deer (and presumably other animals) stranded on small islands of grass in the middle of the floods. There'll be a lot of dead grass and we know from previous experience with lesser floods that it results in a horrible smell. Lots of drainage ditches and road drains are now clogged with rubbish washed off the fields and road verges and I'll bet neither the local council or the Environment Agency will clear them - which means when we next get heavy rain there will be even more problems. In the last 10 to 15 years the water in the drainage ditches has grown a thick crust of pondweed, both the usual Lemna type and a more beefy variant. It seals the water off from the air above, resulting in anaerobic conditions and the death of everything living in the ditch water. Again, no agency takes responsibility for clearing it. The floods have swept the weed into places where it didn't exist, both blocking drainage and compounding the problem for the future - we'll now have the pondweed in every ditch!

[hartley353]

Nothing new there Stanley. In 1966 I took over my friends sunday job running the pumps at a wigan cemetary. During normal weather 8 hrs on a sunday would cover the next weeks interments, during prolonged wet weather the pump would have to be run up to a few minutes before interment, and be switched off to give silence for the ceremony, then be switched on quickly to fill the grave. His fathers company offered this service to many other cemetaries. These cemetaries had been placed in the right place, but mining activity over the years had cause settlement of the land, and were now in dips.

[hartley353]

During my life time I have observed many deer swimming, water is not a problem to them, if they are staying in one spot it is by choice, or the disturbance around keeps them there. There is only one animal that stays put when the water is rising, and that is man. Non maintenance of ditches is usualy down to the land owner, or local people. Weed growth is a problem every where, run off from over eager use of nitrates, every year our work teams remove tons of it to keep waters clear for fishing. The trapped water on the land will stink afterwards it is polluted by large quantities of slurry and the contents of cess pits, all of which could be alleviated by sensible storage, or regular emptying. The rural population seem to have not had a plan in place for the event of flooding, and wish to blame everyone but themselves when the problem strikes. When I see images of folks stood next to submerged furniture where no attempt has been made to move it, I feel total exasperation.

[David Whipp]

Nemo surdior est quam is qui non audiet.

[hartley353]

Did you have a decent education, or was that a web search. Stanley would have been staggered if his granny quoted in latin.

[Stanley]

Leave my grandma out of your patronising meanderings. Actually you couldn't be further from the truth, your assumption about her education couldn't be further from the truth!

[David Whipp]

My education is sufficient for me to be able to recognise the impact that human activity is having on our planet.

There's none so deaf as those that cannot hear.

[Tizer]

Not even the fish want to swim in these flood waters! The deer might have to swim for over a mile to reach land and face the prospect of swimming into barbed wire fences and other underwater obstacles, as well as being swept away in fast flowing water and submerged by whirlpools. Two daft blokes took a canoe on the flood water near Langport and nearly drowned when they got drawn into the main river flow. They only escaped by managing to grab hold of the underside of a footbridge. As for "the rural population seem to have not had a plan in place for the event of flooding" don't forget that most of the world's population lives on flood plains and the people living here in the Levels are more experienced at dealing with it than most. But the flooded area is getting more extensive each year and people can't plan for mistakes made by the Environment Agency.

[Whyperion]

Just because one knows (a bit) of Latin , does not make one educated, merely fluent in latin , which may or may not be of use in a given situation. I recall though translations of 'letters' (enscribed clay and wooden tablets ) from Hadrian's wall area to back to Rome , was that generally Britain was wet , miserable, muddy , cold and the locals were generally intolerable. Pretty good judges of reality these Romans.

[hartley353]

Leave my grandma out of your patronising meanderings. Actually you couldn't be further from the truth, your assumption about her education couldn't be further from the truth!

She looks a nice lady Stanley, your misunderstanding of my post amazes me, I don't go around insulting people, or making aspersions on their education. You reported that your granny had used a similar phrase, and I so fit to comment on this while replying to the Latin post which I found no offence in.

[Stanley]

Ah well, there you are. I am in the wrong, I misunderstood...

Tiz, I was just thinking yesterday that despite the media caravan moving on and no mention at all about flooded areas, thousands of people are getting on with the enormous clear up necessary and in many places the floods must still be there. I wonder how much concrete support they are getting now they are no longer news-worthy.