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I have to remain relatively neutral about OS's making my living in this arena. I run Ubuntu on all my machines, but I have XP and Win 7 running in VMs on my main PC. I have Vista and Win 8.1 running as Dual boot systems on a couple of laptops. The Windows bits are rarely run, but sometimes I need access to an unadulterated copy of a Microsoft OS. Yes, they are all legit, I spent hard earned money on them. ;) (The Vista arrived with the S/H laptop to be honest).

Can't argue with Apple, very pricey, but you can't beat the feeling of pulling new Apple kit out of its box for the first time.

Linux/Ubuntu, cheap, immune to crap, works, no bullsh*t, makes the most of the hardware. My OS of choice.
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I know it's a personal view but what always bugged me about Windows was the fact that I always felt that the OS was using me rather than the other way round. The peremptory commands and error messages gave you the feeling that Big Brother was watching you and criticising. The only error message I have ever had on Ubuntu is a polite "Sorry, you have used the wrong password". If you start Firefox after an upgrade you often get a message that they are embarrassed because they can't find your preferences from the preceding session. Nit a bald 'Illegal' message!
Small things I know but you feel as though you are running the system and not the OS. And of course as Pluggy says, it's cheap (free!), it works and up to now the bad guys haven't decided we are worth infecting....
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Had a couple of hardware error messages recently relating to "Memory Issues". Not sure if it's referring to the machine or me :grin: . I've run the Memory Diagnostic Tool and it just refers me to the manufacturer, everything is backed up so I may just run it until I get a more informative message. I don't believe what Windows is telling me as there's no other telltale beeps at startup.
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Kev, if I am wrong Pluggy will no doubt correct me but my reaction to that message would be to pull the memory sticks out and replace them. There's a high probability it's a dirty pin and an intermittent connection to one segment of the memory. Can't do any harm and you could vacuum the gizzards while you are in there, always a good thing!
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Anyone who dislikes Microsoft might enjoy this piece from the NY Times review of books.... I share his view about Word Perfect, I used it before my Windows Days and even though you had to learn a lot of key strokes it was a very clean word processor.

Escape from Microsoft Word

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This post is about word processors, but I got the idea for it from something W. H. Auden once said about political philosophers. In 1947, talking with his learned young secretary about an anthology he was compiling, The Portable Greek Reader, he mentioned Isocrates, a Greek orator whose simple-seeming ideas about relations between rich and poor cities were sane and practical. Naïve-sounding Isocrates had solved problems for which Plato’s grand theories had no answer. “Isocrates reminds me of John Dewey,” Auden said. “He’s a mediocrity who’s usually right whereas Plato is a man of genius who’s always wrong.” Only a genius could have devised Plato’s theory of the forms—the invisible, intangible “ideas” that give shape to every visible, tangible thing. But the theory of forms is always wrong when applied to political thinking, as every experiment in ideal, utopian politics has proved.
Auden’s contrast between mediocrity that gets things right and genius that is always wrong is useful in thinking about many fields other than politics. Take, for example, the instruments used for writing. The word processor that most of the world uses every day, Microsoft Word, is a work of genius that’s almost always wrong as an instrument for writing prose. Almost-forgotten WordPerfect—once the most popular word-processing program, still used in a few law offices and government agencies, and here and there by some writers who remain loyal to it—is a mediocrity that’s almost always right. I submitted this post in a file created by the latest version of Word because Word is the lingua franca of publishing. But I wrote it in an ancient MS-DOS version of WordPerfect that hasn’t been updated since 1997, because WordPerfect is the instrument best suited to the way I think when I write.
The original design of Microsoft Word, in the early 1980s, was a work of clarifying genius, but it had nothing to do with the way writing gets done. The programmers did not think about writing as a sequence of words set down on a page, but instead dreamed up a new idea about what they called a “document.” This was effectively a Platonic idea: the “form” of a document existed as an intangible ideal, and each tangible book, essay, love letter, or laundry list was a partial, imperfect representation of that intangible idea.
A document, as Word’s creators imagined it, is a container for other ideal forms. Each document contains one or more “sections,” what everyone else calls chapters or other subdivisions. Each section contains one or more paragraphs. Each paragraph contains one or more characters. Documents, sections, paragraphs, and characters all have sets of attributes, most of which Word calls “styles.” A section can have its own margin settings; a paragraph can be indented or set in a specific font; a set of characters (such as one or more words) can be italicized, underlined, and printed in red, all by applying a single “style.” Even if you don’t apply a specific style, everything is governed by what Word calls the “normal” style. To complicate matters, Word also lets you apply what it calls “direct formatting,” in which, for example, you italicize a word without applying a separate style to that word alone.
On a typewriter, when you wanted to increase the left margin on the page, you moved a metal lever, then moved it back to decrease the margin again. To type a superscript (as in mc2) you rotated the carriage slightly, typed the superscripted letter, then rotated the carriage back again. In effect, you progressed in sequence from one set of conditions to another. Things changed as you typed.
In Microsoft Word (as in all other word processors built on the same model, including Apple’s Pages), the underlying model is static, like a Platonic idea. In effect, you “paint” a whole section with its own margin settings, and you “paint” a character with the superscript attribute.
I’ve been vaguely aware of Word’s Platonic ideas since I learned, years ago, that I had to create a new section when I wanted to change the page margins. But I didn’t realize how bizarrely Platonic Word can be until I started using it to create the manuscript of a complete edition of Auden’s prose. At the foot of each essay and review, the edition has a line indicating its source, for example, “The New York Review of Books, 2 May 1965,” or “The New Yorker, 27 September 1966.” While preparing the file for the publisher, I applied to all these lines a style named “Article Source”; this style arranged the lines so they were aligned at the right margin, and added a line space above and below. I was puzzled to see that when I applied the style, Word sometimes removed the italics from the magazine title but sometimes didn’t, for no obvious reason. When I applied the style to the first of my two examples, the italics disappeared; when I applied it to the second, the italics remained.
A friend at Microsoft, speaking not for attribution, solved the mystery. Word, it seems, obeys the following rule: when a “style” is applied to text that is more than 50 percent “direct-formatted” (like the italics I applied to the magazine titles), then the “style” removes the direct formatting. So The New York Review of Books (with the three-letter month May) lost its italics. When less than 50 percent of the text is “direct-formatted,” as in the example with The New Yorker (with the nine-letter month September), the direct-formatting is retained.
No writer has ever thought about the exact percentage of italics in a line of type, but Word is reduced to this kind of arbitrary principle because its Platonic model—like all Platonic models—is magnificent in its inner coherence but mostly irrelevant to the real world. In order to make a connection between heavenly ideas and tangible realities, Plato himself was reduced to inventing something he called the Demiurge, an intermediate being who translates the ideal forms in heaven into something tangible in the world. The Demiurge is an early instance of what programmers call a kludge—a clumsy and illogical expedient for dealing with a problem that seems too intractable to solve more elegantly. Word’s 50-percent rule for applying styles is a descendent of the Demiurge, and just as much of a kludge.
The inventors of WordPerfect had no grand ideas about the form of a document. Instead they looked over typists’ shoulders and tried to find ways of imitating their actions on a computer keyboard. So, when you want to change the margin in WordPerfect, you press a few keys to perform the computer equivalent of pushing the lever on a typewriter. You change the margin, and then, later, you might change it back again. Word’s intellectual model is effectively timeless: you paint the text with its attributes. WordPerfect’s is active and progressive: you change a setting, continue typing, and then change some other setting. Auden’s word “mediocrity” seems too strong to apply to WordPerfect, as it was too strong to apply to Isocrates or John Dewey, both of whom had something very like genius in their clear-sighted, unprejudiced perception of the world as it is.
Despite its underlying idea, Microsoft Word, of course, has evolved over the years so that it lets you work more or less as you do in WordPerfect, turning on italics and then turning them off again. But if you do anything more complex, you still find yourself deep in Word’s arcane Platonism, which is too deeply ingrained in the program ever to be replaced.
Intelligent writers can produce intelligent prose using almost any instrument, but the medium in which they write will always have some more or less subtle effect on their prose. Karl Popper famously denounced Platonic politics, and the resulting fantasies of a closed, unchanging society, in his book The Open Society and Its Enemies (1945). When I work in Word, for all its luxuriant menus and dazzling prowess, I can’t escape a faint sense of having entered a closed, rule-bound society. When I write in WordPerfect, with all its scruffy, low-tech simplicity, the world seems more open, a place where endings can’t be predicted, where freedom might be real.
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See this LINK for something that had escaped my attention. The Mozilla Foundation have put a $45 smart phone on the market using a variation of Firefox technology. It's expected to have a big sale, particularly in developing countries.
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That NY Times review of MS word is marvellous, so close to my own feelings about Word and Wordperfect and my experiences as an editor. Almost every book manuscript and journal article that I received was in Word. They were often carefully set out on the page with lots of Word styles used, all looking very pretty but the writing was often ambiguous, stilted, ungrammatical, badly spelt etc. The few who sent me Wordperfect documents were usually those who were able to make their own scientific instruments, technologists, engineers etc...and I don't recall receiving any WP articles that were badly written. When I first worked in a publishing company in about 1991 every person in the office (about 50 people) had their own computer, quite something for those days, and we all used Wordperfect/DOS. Everyone easily learnt how to use it, but after a few years the company decided to follow the trend and switch from DOS to Windows. Out went WP and in came Word. It took ages and lots of courses to teach them to do what they could easily achieve already in WP/DOS - and some never did get to grips with Word. Microsoft achieved its business success purely by marketing, not by technical excellence, and in the process it blocked any advance by the technically excellent WP (not to mention Linux and Open Source). It was the application of money, not technology.
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Word Perfect for windows was not that good (compared to DOS with the reveal codes window up on it ). WP also allowed Left Justify, Centre Justify and Right Justify all on one line ( something I generally found very useful ), though I did not quite get decimal tabs working quite right in some fonts. Pre DOS I used WordStar (and its later DOS Shareware Clone NewWord (?)) I think I still have some old lugables that might have some documents on- I tended to use DaisyWheel printers which made type formatting a little irrelelvant. MS Word dicates far to much to the user ( and its actions in omitting some actions I think were to avoid WP's patents).
The problem I had was many (local) govt departments switching to new versions of Word for document submissions of items that I needed to fill in, which was very annoying.
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Glad you liked the article on WP as much as I did Tiz. I loved the blank black screen with the yellow font! So easy to see as well!
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See THIS for news about the new £97million supercomputer to be installed in Exeter next year and be running by September. The Met Office say that it will be 13 times faster (how do they measure this?) than their current equipment and will mean a 'step change' in their ability to forecast accurately.
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Thanks to Canonical. 65mb of upgrades for Ubuntu this morning. Wonderful....
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Big Kev wrote:Had a couple of hardware error messages recently relating to "Memory Issues". Not sure if it's referring to the machine or me :grin: . I've run the Memory Diagnostic Tool and it just refers me to the manufacturer, everything is backed up so I may just run it until I get a more informative message. I don't believe what Windows is telling me as there's no other telltale beeps at startup.
Forced a reinstall of the Graphics Card Driver, seems to have done the trick :grin: .
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Glad you cracked it Kev. These things used to annoy me as well.
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Advice please.
We bought an HP Desktop 2540 all-in-one series printer etc a few months ago. It has worked fine (but hardly used) until a fortnight or so ago when I asked it to print a confirmation of airport car parking. It printed the page with the headers on but not the individual text, I thought at the time it was the way it had been sent. Today I tried to print off some flight details, again it has done the headers but no information. I can only think I have pressed something but don't know what. I have scanned something recently and I don't think I have printed anything since then.
Thankyou for any help, the troubleshooting in the handbook does not mention this!!!

I have had a fiddle and connected to their help line. It said there was nothing wrong with the printer and advised me to print the test page, which I have done. The colours are fine, and the funny boxes and parallel lines are okay, the writing is very pale and the black colour bar is very pale. I cannot believe it is the black cartridge as we have hardly used it, but hey ho it looks like it maybe. It hasn't shown even the faintest printing when I did those documents, and I would have thought something would have shown up.
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New printers tend to be fitted with shipping cartridges which are low yield and will need replacing quite quickly. You may well have a feature in the driver somewhere that can show you the ink levels.

From experience over my years in IT I would always favour a laser (led) printer over any inkjet which in my view are just a money trap on the inks. If you don't use them very often you also run the risk of the heads blocking with dried ink.
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Thankyou Ian. We don't use the printer on a regular basis, so you have probably hit it on the head.
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Report it back to the retailer you bought it from Gloria. Tell them it's failed after only a short time and you want a replacement under the Sale of Goods Act (or Distance Selling Act if it was online).

And I agree with Ian, laser printers are much better than inkjet.
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Yes the headers will probably print from the colour set whereas the black will come exclusively from its own cartridge, just looked at the specs and can see it uses a combination tricolour cartridge with a separate black. This is another ploy from the manufacturer disguised as convenience but when one colour goes you have to replace the lot. Do you replace or refill Gloria? You should be able to do the latter depending on whether it is worth it for your usage.
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Bought in June but hardly used.
With the old printer I used to replace the cartridges and would probably do the same with this. I think I'll replace it and see how it goes on.
Thank you both for your advice, I will let you know the outcome.
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I'm late in here, (busy all day) but the initial problem sound like an interaction between printer drivers and printing web pages. The printer will miss lumps of the page out, frequently text inside boxes of one sort or another. I'd do a windows printer test page for starters and then maybe write your own document in word or something and print that out before pronouncing a problem with the printer or inks. Software bugs can be tricky to chase down. If the printer works ok on your own text and the windows test page, I'd try another web browser. Sometimes you can download what you want to print as PDF, saving that and then printing it from Adobe Reader or something rather than a web browser.

My take on printers : The more you pay for the printer, Inkjet or Laser, the cheaper they are to run. Office Inkjets like the HP Officejets are usually significally cheaper to run than domestic printers at the expense of the printer to start with. The older the printer, the more tolerant it will be of refilled/aftermarket cartridges, the manufacturers have got better (or worse depending on how you look at it) at making your life a misery with refilled catridges as time as gone on. Monochrome Lasers are usually the cheapest to run, Colour lasers willl vary depending on the printer, but a serious Inkjet will be cheaper to run than a cheap colour laser. A set of cartriges for a Office printer will still cost a fair proportion of the cost of the printer, but they'll print hundred/thousands of sheets whereas a cheap printers will only last for tens/hundreds of sheets.

Colur printing, no matter how you cut it, is expensive. At the really serious end of the market where you lease printer/copiers under a contract, the cost per sheet on top of the monthly / quartlerly rental will typically be 10 or 12 times the cost for colour than for monochrome.
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PanBiker wrote: the black will come exclusively from its own cartridge
Usually the manufacturers will inject a quantity of yellow ink that doesn't show when they are printing purely black (even if you set it to print monochrome) so that the printer will use colour cartriges even if you never print colour. Its basically fraud, but they all do it.
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Top and bottom of it is that if you don't need colour (and many folk don't) buy a laser. I have a multi-function print, copy, scan Brother device. Cost me less than £100 to buy, it has separate drum (20,000 sheet yield) and toner (5,000 sheet yield). Brother put a filling plug in the end of their toners for convenience. I buy toner refills for those at about £12.00 a go. 600dpi printing about as cheap as you can get. 250 sheet paper bin and 12ppm.
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I've always said that the profit from printers was in the ink and not the machine. The first serious printer I got after the daisy wheel era was a big Epson dot Matrix that would print A4 off a full box of tractor paper underneath. I only ever had three tape cartridges for it, one in use and two soaking up the ink I had put in them. Then I went onto HP Deskjet and for many years ran on three cartridges again, I got to be expert at refilling the black ink which was all I used. My latest Deskjet has done OK as regards the machine but won't accept a refilled cartridge and the last commercially recycled cartridge I put in failed as well, the printer told me it was 'counterfeit'.
In contrast, Ringo gave me an old (very old!) HP Laserjet many years ago. It has never failed. I found a new cartridge for it on the web a few years ago and put that in about two years since. Still going strong but too big to be downstairs, it runs of the old IBM upstairs.. When my inkjet packs up I shall be knocking on Ian's door!
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I have done as advised and printed a test, it was not good, very faint or not at all. It would therefore appear to have run out of inks---all good fun.
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Like Ian, we've found Brother laser printers very good and still use one. When we had our publishing business we each had a Brother B&W laser printer and they did a lot of work. I think we both wore out the first and bought a second but altogether they lasted us about 10 years and did sterling work. We once bought a colour printer, an inkjet, but soon sent it to the dump - it ran out of ink too fast and anyway we didn't really need colour. We ran a business for about 16 years using B&W printers, except for that one brief flirtation with a colour inkjet. If we absolutely needed to print something in colour we could email it as an electronic file to the local secretarial services business in town and they'd print a much better resolution version than we would have been able to do with an inkjet.
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