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Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 01 Jul 2013, 20:10
by Bodger
Stanley, was there a choice for coal in the old days ?, ie was there a prefered source between Lancs & Yorks or did they import "quality coal". see the links.
http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/communicate ... 44&offset=&
http://www.coalmerchantsfederation.co.u ... -dry-steam
http://www.coalmerchantsfederation.co.u ... -dry-steam
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 01 Jul 2013, 20:13
by Bodger
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 02 Jul 2013, 04:00
by Stanley
Bodge, the overall quality of washed singles, which was what almost every Lancashire boiler burned, was good. However all engineers had their own favourite coal and had tuned his stokers to deal with it. The main factor as far as I was concerned was ash content, I could deal with volatiles. 'Dry Steam Coal' was a hard coal, low on volatiles and ash and very close to anthracite. Easier to burn with minimum smoke and so favoured for locos and ships. We had choice and the best coal for us at Bancroft on price and quality was Brodsworth in Yorkshire but we also burned good open cast. The best coal I ever had was a chance load of Sutton Manor from Lancashire, burned like candle ends but it cost more. Only time we had no choice was if there was a strike, then we had to burn what we were sent and there were some poor samples.
Once the boss was in we built the support for the entablature beam, lifted the beam into place and started on the flywheel build. Cecil Hufton cleaned all the parts and the two apprentices laboured for me. Beautifully made and marked, it went together well, the only thing you had to be careful of was retraining the wheel as it was out of balance. The sequence was fit spokes, fit rim segments and then add the gear segments. All we had to do was make two opposing cotters for one of the joints. When finished it ran true, all down to the quality of the original manufacture in 1842.
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 03 Jul 2013, 05:54
by Stanley
I know my limitations! I got my old mate Newton in to advise me on the vale gear before we lifted it into place. The best advice was to make a long stick with a nail driven into the end of it! I used it to feel where the valves were and measure the events. I made new studs for fixing it on and solved the problem of replacing the old iron filings and linseed oil cement that sealed the ports. The answer was ceramic fibre mixed with Manganesite. It seemed to work..... Despite all the criticisms of my rebuild nobody has mentioned any leakage yet!
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 04 Jul 2013, 05:44
by Stanley
This was a dodgy moment, lifting the valve chest into place. I was glad when we had it bolted on! The cylinder was a bit of a puzzle and eventually I realised that the original fitters in 1842 had made a mistake and got the centre of the stroke wrong. This gave me a lot of unwanted problems....
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 05 Jul 2013, 05:27
by Stanley
Big sighs of relief when the valve chest was in place and everything nipped up. More to it than meets the eye of course. I replaced most of the old Whitworth studs and made them slightly oversize so they were a good fit in the cylinder casting, it was quite surprising how loose the originals were. of course I had to make new square nuts as well, easier than modifying the old ones. Then there was the experimental packing made of ceramic fibre and Manganesaite and the new specially made proofed asbestos gaskets. I often wonder if anyone ever thinks about what was involved....
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 06 Jul 2013, 04:17
by Stanley
The Lady Mayor christening the engine, on time and it ran well.
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 07 Jul 2013, 04:26
by Stanley
SG starting the engine at the christening ceremony in May 1992. We had hit the deadline and had an engine that ran. Never any problems with the pit but of course many people believe I built it wrongly! Ah well.... it ran for twenty years!
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 08 Jul 2013, 05:11
by Stanley
This is what it was all about. My Carleton College students watching the engine running in 1998.
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 09 Jul 2013, 05:14
by Stanley
Peter Bradley engine at Cross Lane Mill Connonley. Now being re-erected at Bancroft museum.
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 10 Jul 2013, 04:09
by Stanley
Edna Lumb painting of the rope race at Ellenroad.
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 11 Jul 2013, 04:14
by Stanley
Edna Lumb's painting of the inside of the rope race at Ellenroad.
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 12 Jul 2013, 04:43
by Stanley
Yates and Thom twin tandem
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 12 Jul 2013, 07:56
by PanBiker
I think I caught a glimpse of the Bancroft engine the other night during Robson Green's new series "How the North was Made". The program covered work in the northern coalfields and what the coal was used for in the early part of the 19C. It covered the role that weaving played in the fortunes of the country and touched on transport systems of the time. Turnpikes and canals giving way to the railway which will be featured in next weeks program.
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 13 Jul 2013, 04:30
by Stanley
I saw Ellenroad, he was turning the stop valve head I made for the engine. Didn't notice Bancroft but identifies the condenser mules at Helmshore when they were doing carding. Nice to see the shots of Ellenroad running at the proper speed, the only big engine that does. They think they're safer running at half speed but don't realise the harm they are doing. I had a hell of a fight with English Heritage on this matter and won, that's why all the engines I did run at their original speed.
SG and Graham Riley at Ellenroad in 1989. The governor is running at its original speed of 55rpm.
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 14 Jul 2013, 05:18
by Stanley
Musgrave engine similar to the one installed at Butts Mill.
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 15 Jul 2013, 04:28
by Stanley
Chatterley Whitfield winding engine in 1986.
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 04:41
by Stanley
Perseverance at Padiham I think. Walter Fawcett left hand side, Harold Armfield middle, Arthur Johnson right hand side. Pic sent to me by Gillian Rosthorn, Accrington.
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 17 Jul 2013, 04:36
by Stanley
Jubilee engine at Padiham in the original house.
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 18 Jul 2013, 04:53
by Stanley
Jubilee engine at Padiham at the time the mill was demolished. Robert Aram bought the engine and eventually removed it and reinstalled it at Masson Mill, Matlock Bath, Derbyshire
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 03:14
by Stanley
The low pressure cylinder coming out of the house at Jubilee in 2000.
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 20 Jul 2013, 06:23
by Stanley
The Jubilee LP cylinder inching its way into Masson engine house. The same procedure had to be done with all the large parts. A big job done carefully by Gissing and Lonsdale, not a single instance of damage.
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 21 Jul 2013, 04:44
by Stanley
The Jubilee LP cylinder finally at rest in the Masson engine house. Terry Gissing is scratching his head, he must be thinking!
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 22 Jul 2013, 05:00
by Stanley
During 2004 the engine build at Masson went on slowly but surely. Bigger job than it looks!
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Posted: 23 Jul 2013, 03:40
by Stanley
Getting there! Ready for the final stages. Nobody will ever know how much work went into it......