Dee Mill engine lying derelict in 1985.
STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
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Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Dee Mill engine lying derelict in 1985.
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The floggings will continue until morale improves!
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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How the engine used to look....
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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Steam Joe is a man who at one time ran a steam cultivation business in Minnesota. He and his father before him never sold an engine. All the engines they worked with sit in the paddock round the house. He is still collecting.
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Dee Mill engine house stood derelict in 1992.
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Nothing more sad than good machinery in terminal decline.
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Stanley Challenger Graham
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scg1936 at talktalk.net
"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
scg1936 at talktalk.net
"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Lamb Hill in 1983. I was told once that there used to be a waterwheel in the building with the arch on the cellar. I have my doubts about this but I have been surprised in the past. Certainly an interesting cellar....
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scg1936 at talktalk.net
"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
scg1936 at talktalk.net
"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Very old donkey engine found at Woodhouse Mill, Littleborough. I got hold of it and had it refurbished by the Training School for apprentices in Rochdale and it was sold to the Co-op as an exhibit in the Wheatsheaf Centre. I am told it is no longer in there but was donated to a museum?
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
HP side at 78rpm. Johnny pickles could never understand how railway locos got away with a small oil reservoir with a cork in lubricating a crank that ran far faster and was blasted with grit and weather. Neither can I! If the oil supply to this crank failed the bearing was stinking hot in a couple of minutes.
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
scg1936 at talktalk.net
"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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My late friend Alan Andrews drawing of Trencherfield Engine at Wigan.
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
scg1936 at talktalk.net
"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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Trencherfield engine at Wigan in 2000 on the day when I inadvertently shut it down.....
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Dobson Block valve gear on Bancroft engine. There were many efficient valve gears, the Dobson Block was one of the most simple and trouble-free.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
scg1936 at talktalk.net
"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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No pic today as ability to post pics has gone AWOL temporarily until Ian fixes it!
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
scg1936 at talktalk.net
"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Craig's motion on the Ellenroad engine. I liked it, very simple and effective. If you're trying to work it out, recognise that the lever attached to the brass cam block was rocking all the time from a separate drive than the rotary shaft that turned the eccentric.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
scg1936 at talktalk.net
"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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Overall view of the valve gear on the left hand HP cylinder at Ellenroad. Lots to work out here!
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Stanley your favourite project. Ellen Road Steam Museum Steam Day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDXyCjHRojw
Sorry if this has been shown before. But worth a visit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDXyCjHRojw
Sorry if this has been shown before. But worth a visit.
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Nice to see it again. The two ladies, Thelma and Joan (with the white pony tail) were the first in the world to run an engine that size all on their own, from lighting the boiler to shutting down. One of my finest achievements!

Joan and Thelma in 1998 at Ellenroad. An old bloke told them they ought to be brewing tea and not running the engine. I took him on one side and advanced his world view.....
Joan and Thelma in 1998 at Ellenroad. An old bloke told them they ought to be brewing tea and not running the engine. I took him on one side and advanced his world view.....
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
When it came to big steam locomotives the US had us all beaten. The Union Pacific Big Boy loco. (LINK)
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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Bellerophon after refurbishment by Keighley and Worth Valley railway in 1985.
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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An unusual Burnley Ironworks engine. George Watkins picture. The note on the back seems to read 'Hartley Spencer's 3 rod. B-I-W.
M/cExchange directory for 1952 shows Hartley Spencer, Stanley Street Mill, Burnley.
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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I've posted this before but we need to remind ourselves every now and again that big engines needed big lathes!
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
Making the stand for the new stop valve at Ellenroad in 1991. I found this casting in a bin of scrap, just exactly what I needed, scrap yards are wonderful places.
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
scg1936 at talktalk.net
"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
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Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
The temporary stop valve wheel and standard I made for Ellenroad to replace the original 18" valve in the background.
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
scg1936 at talktalk.net
"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Re: STEAM ENGINES AND WATERWHEELS
An intersting steam / electric concept
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsHkGM_2FRQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsHkGM_2FRQ
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The finished job. The hand wheel was a fiddle but I wanted it to match the one on the original valve. By the way, the small valve is the bypass round the main valve to allow warming steam into the engines.
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"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Stanley's View
scg1936 at talktalk.net
"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!