OLDEST AND BIGGEST?

Post Reply
User avatar
Stanley
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 100717
Joined: 23 Jan 2012, 12:01
Location: Barnoldswick. Nearer to Heaven than Gloria.

OLDEST AND BIGGEST?

Post by Stanley »

OLDEST AND BIGGEST?

I recently spent a very pleasant five days with a group of very intelligent American students aged 18 to 20. My role was ostensibly to let them benefit from my experience and learn about Industrial Archaeology but as usual we strayed occasionally and I found myself trying to warn them about some of the pitfalls of life, particularly in their studies. I suppose my main warning is never to take any 'fact' at face value, question it and make up your own mind. If you want a recent example, think of the mythical £350million a day the EU was supposed to cost us. Just because it is written in letters three feet high on the side of a bus doesn't mean it is true!
My personal crap detector springs to life whenever I see a superlative, something is the 'oldest' or 'biggest' and definite statements like So and So invented the …... I'm afraid that many second rate historians are guilty of this. Take the old question; “Who invented the steam engine?” Forget the usual answers, a very early example of using steam to produce rotary motion was the Aeolipile of Hero of Alexandria who lived from 10 to 70BC. It was used by the priests in the temple to open doors and was presented as religious magic. Further, it was a steam turbine and used the same principle that Whittle and others used in the early modern jet engine. It was a genuine heat engine converting thermal energy to useful rotary motion and so has a strong claim to being the 'first'. (As far as we know!)
Most people would agree that Johannes Gutenberg was the inventor of printing using moveable type in 1439. If you have a word with the Chinese you'll find that they were using that technology far earlier. You'll find this syndrome in almost every statement about who was first, they are almost always wrong! One of my favourites that goes down well with my American students is “Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin in 1794 and revolutionised the United States cotton industry' which incidentally opening the floodgates to cotton through Liverpool that founded our own industry. We know now that actually he only improved on what was already in use and modern research is throwing up clues which suggest it was Mrs Whitney who identified the crucial improvements. She was on a sticky wicket, how could a woman be credited with such an important invention!
So my message is don't take anything on trust, examine it and make up your own minds. We live in an age governed by statements issued to the media and more and more people are beginning to realise that these are often 'economical with the truth'. There is an old and useful rule for historians, 'The only completely accurate statements in newspapers are the advertisements and the hatched, matched and despatched'. This means of course that you must question what I say also!

Image
Stanley Challenger Graham
Stanley's View
scg1936 at talktalk.net

"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
User avatar
Whyperion
Senior Member
Posts: 3456
Joined: 23 Jan 2012, 22:13
Location: Back In London as Carer after being in assorted northern towns inc Barnoldswick, Burnley, Stockport

Re: OLDEST AND BIGGEST?

Post by Whyperion »

I've re-read that bus blazoning and can see the confusion. I assume the £350m figure predominantly arises from Import Duties collected, which in a Customs Union are pooled up to a central point. It probably also covers the payment made on the basis of GDP (itself not a good indicator of tax cash avalible) and presumably some, or all , of VAT reciepts. I understand most other domestic taxes and duties remain (!) with the local country. Now the figure did not net out any negiotated rebates, competitive allocations of 'structural funds' to re-build (infrastructure or workforce training ) in mostly 'old' economy areas, and presumably no farm/rural activities subsidies and the like. I dont know about the old 'intervention' payments and rebates re CAP and similar , if they are still in place, long time since I calculated dues and rebates for one food processing firm. Hence the (much) reduced net cost per household of EU membership/ administration costs (probably still too high).

Additionally I note Theresa May in her 'victory' speech indicated that she wanted individuals to 'Take Back Control' of their lives. I took this as codespeak to reduce tax credits, in work benefits and the like. I would like it to mean less interference from govt , local and national, but I am afraid, that aint happening.
User avatar
Stanley
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 100717
Joined: 23 Jan 2012, 12:01
Location: Barnoldswick. Nearer to Heaven than Gloria.

Re: OLDEST AND BIGGEST?

Post by Stanley »

Bumped and image restored. Six years later it's just as relevant.......
Stanley Challenger Graham
Stanley's View
scg1936 at talktalk.net

"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
User avatar
Gloria
VIP Member
Posts: 5184
Joined: 23 Jan 2012, 12:14
Location: Nearer the sea than Barllick

Re: OLDEST AND BIGGEST?

Post by Gloria »

👍 thankyou Stanley.
Gloria
Now an Honorary Chief Engineer who'd be dangerous with a brain!!!
http://www.briercliffesociety.co.uk
http://www.lfhhs.org.uk
User avatar
Stanley
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 100717
Joined: 23 Jan 2012, 12:01
Location: Barnoldswick. Nearer to Heaven than Gloria.

Re: OLDEST AND BIGGEST?

Post by Stanley »

The message embedded in this article will never be redundant so I've bumped it again to remind us how we were bamboozled.
Stanley Challenger Graham
Stanley's View
scg1936 at talktalk.net

"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
User avatar
Stanley
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 100717
Joined: 23 Jan 2012, 12:01
Location: Barnoldswick. Nearer to Heaven than Gloria.

Re: OLDEST AND BIGGEST?

Post by Stanley »

Worth repeating I think.
Stanley Challenger Graham
Stanley's View
scg1936 at talktalk.net

"Beware of certitude" (Jimmy Reid)
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Old age isn't for cissies!
Post Reply

Return to “Stanley's View”