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Sorry about the long post but you're all so busy posting there's much to comment on! :smile:
PanBiker wrote: 27 Jan 2021, 10:27 Our Jack and Jemma are back at work. Having said that they both say they feel tired, not surprising really.
That's good news Ian. My relative who caught it while in the hospital for a different medical reason is back in her flat and seems OK but tired and has had only mild symptoms - not bad for someone in her 80s. I heard something on the radio about a woman aged, I think, 99 who has had covid but is back home and living an active life again.
Tripps wrote: 27 Jan 2021, 11:00 I listened to More or Less today, and they asked where people were getting infected.
I was one of the people who emailed them asking where people are getting covid-19.
I think the people shielding who got infected would be mostly due to getting it from carers (professional or family). And, yes, the supermarket question didn't get a clear answer. As they pointed out, a big problem is that trying to do that level of tracing requires genome analysis and that takes ages and can't be done on large numbers. That's something we've got to correct for the future - develop faster methods - because we can be sure there'll be more pandemics to come.
Tripps wrote: 27 Jan 2021, 11:00 I think they said that transmission within a household was common, and outside the home less so. Be good to know more on the subject.
Correct. I know it's not a pleasant comparison but it's like sexual abuse of children. Everybody thinks it occurs away from home but most cases arise within the home.
chinatyke wrote: 28 Jan 2021, 00:42 ...If Covid initially came from bats in some remote cave in Yunnan via Wuhan Institute of Virology...
Good grief, China! I hope the Chinese `watchers' don't read OGFB or you be getting a visit during the night! Even I don't think it came `via Wuhan Institute of Virology'. That institute exists at Wuhan to research the danger of virus transfer from animals to humans because of the wet markets etc. Before the travel restrictions British colleagues visited and had been collaborating with the Wuhan scientists for many years.
Marilyn wrote: 28 Jan 2021, 10:02 Should be a doddle. The Chinese say the virus started in America! :biggrin2:
Yes, they use the excuse that American soldiers visited Wuhan late in 2019 LINK and brought the virus with them and that's where it started. If it had then the pandemic would have been months earlier, especially in America.
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Thanks for the comments - seems I was on roughly the right track. :smile:

Spooky time again. . .

I think I'm the only person who currently has four (count them) confirmed appointments for the Covid vaccination. :smile:

The Parish magazine - freshly delivered - said that local vaccinations would be starting 'soon'.

Within ten minutes the phone rang and the surgery invited me for an injection at a nearby location. I explained that I was already booked, but accepted her offer as it was nearer. I agreed to cancel the other one.

I looked at the email for the first appointment to get the exact details, and find how to cancel, and found it actually had the second appointment also listed- for the same location. That's odd I thought - they said I'd have to go to Stevenage for the second one.

Looked at the text message and found that to be true - same date and time and reference, but Stevenage.

Everything's turns into a saga with me - I'll cancel the three appointments that I don't need. Hope that goes smoothly. :smile:

PS all in order now, Three cancelled - in time for someone else to have them.
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They tell me I am in the pipeline..... Still waiting patiently but as I live alone inside the house is perfectly safe! I just have to be careful about the Co-op!
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More about where people are getting covid-19. This is the sort of information we've been needing...
`Covid: Data shows outbreaks in England's offices in lockdown' LINK
`More than 60 suspected Covid outbreaks in offices were recorded in the first two weeks of the current lockdown in England, a BBC investigation has found....Public Health England figures, obtained via a Freedom of Information request, suggests offices have had more outbreaks compared to other workplaces....The data showed there were more than 500 outbreaks, or suspected outbreaks, in offices in the second half of 2020 - more than in supermarkets, construction sites, warehouses, restaurants and cafes combined. This has prompted calls for curbs on employers bringing non-essential staff into offices as well as demands from unions for tougher safety rules...'.
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Yes, One of the good things about being old and a singleton is that I have a better chance of avoiding contact with the virus. I can be perfectly secure in the house, nobody is bringing it in!
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This looks interesting. Covid nasal spray

Perhaps that's what Trump had in mind when he spoke vaguely about bleach.
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the spray concept has been marketed for ?about a year? as something in respect of the common cold (and not the ones for the relief of symptoms and un-bunging noses but as preventers - mostly aimed at use for children?)
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Tizer wrote: 28 Jan 2021, 11:28
Tripps wrote: 27 Jan 2021, 11:00 I listened to More or Less today, and they asked where people were getting infected.
I was one of the people who emailed them asking where people are getting covid-19.
I think the people shielding who got infected would be mostly due to getting it from carers (professional or family). And, yes, the supermarket question didn't get a clear answer.
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Is there differentiation between Supermarket as a Workplace ( Waitrose Cheadle Hulme closed down as supposedly the night shift were not distancing correctly - once again there is a link to cold storage facilitity too ?). I have seen plenty of staff not wearing masks, or not wearing masks correctly, or taking masks off to talk to workplace collegues)
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chinatyke wrote: 28 Jan 2021, 08:25
Big Kev wrote: 28 Jan 2021, 07:42 The WHO team, in Wuhan, are out of quarantine and can now start investigating the origins of the virus. 'Their research will rely upon evidence provided by Chinese officials'.
Great!! :extrawink:
Well the hospital involved in the initial treatments is making (?All?) of their documentation avalible.

I think it is agreed that the Chinese system is both good - isolate, treat where possible and record, and bad - Having such a virus can be seen as some kind of loss of face and is covered up by 'officials' at various levels, the Chinese need educating as to its better to be open (and sometimes wrong), than close up and provide mis or contrary information (as I said though back a year ago I could see equally a set of UK or USA facilities doing much the same thing too) the thing that perhaps lead to the great international growth was the much increased movement of people internationally from and to China, and around China itself. I suspect a UK or USA area or market generally has slightly less numbers of people (tourists or buisnesses) that would give q lower initial spread value (conferences or large sporting events excepted)
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Stanley wrote: 26 Jan 2021, 02:46 Ian's suggestion about hitting the the reboot button on schools and giving them another year is a good idea. I suspect the problem they see with that is that it means subsequent years will be late.
I was appalled yesterday when I heard a young primary school pupil being interviewed on Today about school was prompted to say if she had been mentally affected by the delays. It was a leading question and of course the girl than obliged by saying how awful it was.
Mum remembers the war (As In WW2), and in the days when School Leaving Age was 14 (as in 14th Birthday off to work). She also missed a good few weeks in an isolation hospital with Scarlet Fever (think she was 7?) , at least half the time in Primary Schools is wasted its more like child care and keep the rowdies of the streets so they dont break the windows. Kids catch up fairly quickly if the can also do some home work on the basics in maths and english, other studies such as skills with pottery, woodwork, history (visits to the British Museum for me) can come later. How do the parent think the remote learning in Australia where distances are vast and populations in some communities too small for an effective school work ? I hope the likes though of music, art and other soft skill items are not missed in the catch up year race ( perhaps just starting back schools 2nd Week of Sept and moving Aug BH to start of Aug is all it needs - do we need the kids making hey in September these days ? ). What schools can give well is an independent (ish) assessment of children's learning progress and possibly note social issues at home, and that might be being missed.
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Tizer wrote: 27 Jan 2021, 10:19 And Robert Jenrick said: "Ministers took the "best possible" expert advice." Yes mate, and then made the worse possible decisions! (You can tell what mood I'm in today... :smile: )
We did say the tories would start to blame the experts. But, I long thought that Witty was wrong a few times - his statistics and communicable virus knowledge seemed too set in diseases that operated a very different way to how Covid-19 was and has been, and seemed to want to wait until stats had been confirmed (3 weeks on the 'new variant' delay) without calling that something was not working and a decision needed to be made, plus the overseeing effectlvely of the NHS dump into care homes without testing (actually from published paperwork how different is Covid from other viruses that spread before the host shows symptoms surely it is most of them , just that most are not immediately fatal to most people ). Johnson was being pulled 3 (?4) ways, indicative science, his own views on fundamental freedoms , financial and economic costs, and Lab and Tory calls for freedoms and plan dates. I though Johnson had got it right for once beginning of this week indicating that it was not possible to estimate a time frame for movement toward 'normality' then the next day he goes and announces another hoped for date for schools to start to fully reopen, and promise that a lock-down relaxation roadmap will be published at a specified later time when the (first 4?) groups have been (?fully?) vaccinated. He should have stuck to his first statement - but maybe there was fear of leaks from undoubted cabinet office discussions and decisions on time frames where things should start to be reviewed.
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PanBiker wrote: 27 Jan 2021, 10:27 Our Jack and Jemma are back at work. Having said that they both say they feel tired, not surprising really. If it was me I would have stayed off at least another week. Anyway, Jemma's school have acknowledged this and she is working from home a much as possible. We have got them a bottle of Metatone to help them along, Sally and I used that after our three weeks of flu. I hope there are no long term consequences for either of them.
My cold relief method seemed to work with the heavy virus last year. Plenty of Lemon and Ginger hot infusions, added Vit C and similar + orange (or red grape ) juice and bran flakes with raisins and sultanas for the morning brunch, fruit cocktail tinned at tea time, sleep , (others may wish to add a chicken stew/broth with soggy seeded bread in it). This does a mix of helping cells to recover and does a system purge and keeps kidneys etc well flushed through, not too much (additional) sugar in it. No ordinary tea until you feel less tired and no coffee at all. (about three days of recovery after the two days of feeling like not doing anything).
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Margaret tells me today that Perth WA is locked down totally for a week from 6pm this evening because of one confirmed infection. Probably the correct thing to do.....
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Apparently a security guard at a hotel tested positive.
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First phase of mission completed, a shot of AstraZeneca's magic fluid at 2.50pm today at Taunton Racecourse. All very efficient, lots of staff everywhere giving directions. Make sure your wear something that let's you easily expose the very top of your arm, higher than for the influenza jab - rolling up a sleeve isn't good enough. Didn't feel the needle at all (but I watched it injected just to be sure!). They had a minor problem when somebody came in with very obvious covid symptoms, he shouldn't have been there and they whisked him out ultra fast. But we were all wearing the masks handed to us at reception and had been told to pinch the bit at the top over the nose and make sure the sides were against the face. Lots of swabbing down of furniture and equipment going on all the time. Take no notice what those anti-vaxers keeping post on social media, I'm fighting fit as shown in my post-vac photo...
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Likewise. . .

Just got back from the jab. All very efficient. A bit surprised (don't know why) to find that I got the Pfizer BioNtech version. Actually - it did hurt - just a bit. We all got a 15 minute electronic countback alarm clock to hold till it went off, and then they let us go. I was expecting a sticky label.

Back home now watching a programme on Ch 5 about The Great Plague. Not sure if that's wise. :smile:
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No buboes under the arms with this one David......
All sounds good on vaccination experience.
I am watching the dog's breakfast of political infighting that's going on in the EU. It's more about criticisms of EU HQ at Brussels for taking over vaccination supervision with no plan or infrastructure. It must be dire to be worse than our problems.
Margaret tells me they have just announced in WA that there have not been any more cases of Covid overnight so that's good.
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Stanley wrote: 01 Feb 2021, 03:14 No buboes under the arms with this one David....
No but my arm has been a bit sore overnight - whuich is a puzzle as I had the flu and shingles vaccinations in the Autumn with absolutely zero effects. I wanted to know why the whole of England didn't die in the plague, and what caused it to stop, but didn't find out. Even in Eyam there were only 40% deaths.

I informed my heirs, and came over a bit Hyacinth Bucket - "it's 91% on the first jab you know".

Neither did know. I read the info sheet, which seems to say - it's not authorised for marketing, but this temporary authorisation grants permission for use against Covid 19. I did know it's the first mRNA vaccine to be used on a large scale, so it looks like it's possible we're part of a big experiment.

That's OK with me in the circs. :smile:
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Not wishing to get people paranoid but I don't see anything mentioned about blood pressure being affected by the vaccine or as a marker symptom of a post vaccine infection. Too late for us to start keeping a comparative check but may be worth a weekly record for those just starting on the roller coaster. This is not an anti-vax post we will be there like a shot for our second dose.
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Our blood pressure has not been affected by the vaccine.
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I like that post Gloria, it sounds like the royal 'We'!
I see the EU has admitted that "unlike the Pope" they are not infallible. That seems to me to be a very dodgy position to take, it assumes the Pope is infallible. Perhaps some careful reading of THISwould help.
The reality of course is that for once the EU earned its reputation of being bureaucratic by calling in the states responsibilities for health to the centre. Problem is that Brussels had no mechanism for managing the task and no experience. The consequences were exactly the same as here in the UK when Parliament centralised provision of PPE, Track and Trace and warehousing facilities, handing out enormous contracts to some very dodgy firms, some in America. By doing this they cut out the local health and social services which is where the expertise lay.
They have realised that I think but have no option but to press on. The result will be a less than first class delivery of vaccinations.
The bottom line is that 'bigger is better' is a false assumption. They should be following Schumacher; "Small is Beautiful" in this case and supporting the local centres of excellence that have built up over the years. In our case local health and social services.
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On-the-spot doorstep tests, the 'scammers' will be having a field day with that...

Covid-19: People in South African variant test areas urged to 'think twice'
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Big Kev wrote: 02 Feb 2021, 09:05 On-the-spot doorstep tests, the 'scammers' will be having a field day with that...
Covid-19: People in South African variant test areas urged to 'think twice'
Tester: "Keep still Mrs Murgatroyd while I poke this swab stick up your nose"
Mrs Murgatroyd: "Why is your colleague taking away my handbag, piggy bank and computer?"
Tester: "Don't worry, we're going to check they aren't contaminated with virus and then we'll bring them back to you. Have a nice day. Bye."
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Tripps wrote: 01 Feb 2021, 09:52 I read the info sheet, which seems to say - it's not authorised for marketing, but this temporary authorisation grants permission for use against Covid 19. I did know it's the first mRNA vaccine to be used on a large scale, so it looks like it's possible we're part of a big experiment. That's OK with me in the circs.
My AstraZeneca leaflet has exactly the same statement. I think the word `marketing' is the clue. It has been authorised for this emergency use but not for normal commercial operations.

Now this is spooky... :extrawink:
My AstraZeneca jab came with the usual leaflet and I noticed at the end it said the manufacturer was Medimmune Ltd in Speke, Liverpool, a subsidiary of AstraZeneca. That rang a bell. In December I wrote on OG about how I'd worked on influenza vaccine at a firm called Evans Medical in Speke, Liverpool, back in about 1969 (the Hong Kong flu pandemic, more than half a century ago - eeek!). I looked on Google Maps and found Medimmune is what used to be Evans Medical before it was taken over. :smile:
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Hoist with your own petard Peter!
I'm looking forward to my jab tomorrow evening at Colne. I still think it's wrong to make people who are shielding and told to stay indoors travel to get a vaccination. No wonder people break the rules when the government does it all the time.
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